Westminstenders: A photo opportunity

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Johnson likes publicity.

Any attention is good attention. Whilst you are talking about how crazy his idea is, the less you come up with your own.

And there it is. The lack of plan to stop no deal. Just a bunch of idiots who argue over who is more right about politics without offering up a practical solution.

Unable to see their own flaws.

And leading us ever closer to the cliff edge and operation Yellowhammer.

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This has been the clear and consistent EU position, it remains so. #Brexit

Simon Coveney also politely tells BJ where he can stick his letter

Both good and oh shit.

Woman tbh i also read that thread and conducted that either (a) someone on the EU settlement scheme helpline is making it up as they go along or (b) that conversation was made up.

Patel's parents were of course Ugandan Asian refugees, welcomed in their thousands to Great Britain in the 1970s.

And she grew up not far from me in Harrow.

My best friend for most of school - till 6th form - was a Ugandan refugee. One of the cleverest in the borough (turned down unconditional offers from Cambridge and Oxford to stay in London, with family). Left school with 11 grade A O levels, and 4 grade A A levels.

A bit of the farty whiff of shit from the steaming turds that were the NF drifted through Harrow in the 70s (which Patel will have memories of). All I will say is like most bullies, the NF really didn't like it up 'em. It's where I got this strange notion that the British - the English - thing was to stand up to bullies. Not, as DC and chums have cravenly shown, give them the keys to the fucking kingdom.

So anyone taking a job in the UK from now must show a UK passport, or be rejected ? Since the law requires employers to ensure an employee has the right to work in the UK legally ?

Presumably that's already sent a shiver through the higher management and skills layers, as they'll be looking at contracts with 3+ months notice ?

By the same token, any Brit in the UK without an EU passport is going to have fun with their employers trying to adhere to the situation ?

I wonder how UK workers in the UK, remotely working for EU firms would fare ? Luckily the future I worked for never happened, and most people still have to travel to work, so I imagine it's an edge case.

DG That bit's not new, part of the long-running "hostile environment"

For several years now, people applying for a new job have had to show proof of ID as part of proof they are entitled to work in the UK

That's everyone, Brit, E27, EEA or non-EEA citizen

Strangely to those who vote for such policies:

wrt jobs, private renting, opening bank accounts etc, it can significantly affect the poorest white Brits, especially the young adults,
who may not yet have a passport or even driving licence for the necessary photo ID

@TheElementsSong

Loved your Six Impossible Fairytales - may have copied and posted on to the Tory forum (hope you don't mind).

I shall be getting five hundred FB notifications of Disgust and RemoanerTraitor today

If we're going all WW2 rationing, will the government be organising a cull of pets like they did in the run up to rationing?

Was this a thing?

Mistigri I did check the thread. It was RT ed by Prof Tanja Bueltmann
It says it is advice from a help line.

tbh, if one looks at what has happened to Windrush Elders: it's very similiar; starting with employers firing Black british workers, who through no fault of their own haven't got the right papers.

twitter.com/cliodiaspora/status/1163721710883004416

If we're going all WW2 rationing, will the government be organising a cull of pets like they did in the run up to rationing?

Was this a thing?

Yep. Google British Pet Massacre 1939.

DG That bit's not new, part of the long-running "hostile environment"

er ...

For several years now, people applying for a new job have had to show proof of ID as part of proof they are entitled to work in the UK

Yes, but "for several years now" an EU passport has satisfied the requirement about having a right to work in the UK. As of now, that right will not exist 1/11/2019. So a company that could previously accept an EU passport as proof of eligibility to work beyond 1/11/2019 now cannot accept it.

So someone like DS friend, who is Italian, and taking a a position this very week with a UK company has limited options. Although his notice is only a week, so doesn't break 1/11/2019.

How does an employer tell the difference between an EU citizen who they are allowed to employ and an EU citizen they're not allowed to employ?

We're British, we're slightly bonkers about our pets and spend an obscene amount of cash on them. You can restrict our medicine supplies and we do nothing but come for our pugs, staffies, rag doll cats and they'll be trouble ahead.

"How does an employer tell the difference between an EU citizen who they are allowed to employ and an EU citizen they're not allowed to employ?"

The EU citizen will have to bring the documentation of their settled status
Tough if the Home Office hasn't processed them yet

So the 2020 deadline for applying is a lie?

Yes, DG EU citizens will have to go through what many non-EU citizens now have to do

It is a disincentive to come to the UK,
so in most cases, only those who can't get a job elsewhere - or who have family in the UK - will do so.

An EU citizen will have the option of 27 other countries plus the EFTA countries to work in, with much less hassle & rarely hostility

Well.
I've managed to get 1 more inhaler for ds1 after going to 3 different towns.
I'm still waiting to see if the drs will do me another script...
Mum has been unwell recently so took her to the drs this morning.
She has been referred on the 2 week cancer pathway.

"So the 2020 deadline for applying is a lie? "

Granny It only means that the Home Office gives the right to stay until then
(providing they don't take a trip out of the UK - they might not be allowed back)

However, it doesn't give the rights necessary to make it practical for many people to participate in normal UK life.

e.g. if the EU citizen is a home owner / lives with settled relatives, is retired with pension and their own provate insurance, already with all the bank accounts they want ... All this = No problem

If instead they want to apply for a job, to rent anywhere, a mortgage, car loan, new bank account ...... even NHS treatment
then they probably won't be able to do so without having documentation of their status

Even if the law is unclear, many businesses, LLs etc won't take the chance

So again, probably wealthy EU citizens will be fine and the govt cba with the others

The pet massacre was self imposed rather than government imposed.

Mistigri I did check the thread. It was RT ed by Prof Tanja Bueltmann
It says it is advice from a help line.

Yes that's why I saw it (I also follow Tanja).

My instant reaction was that it was fake news (ie made up) but the person seems to have enough to lose for this to (probably) not be the case - though plenty of folks will shit-talk on twitter for retweets.

My second reaction was that the EU settlement scheme would not give an official statement of this nature via a helpline, if you wanted the official position you'd go to the press office. So I conclude that the scheme employs some people with their own agenda who are prepared to ad-lib.

Virtually impossible to move forward the SS deadline because it's still not available for i-things.

That’s insane, my company is full of Europeans (we can’t bloody find British! I have now resorted to do STEM events at primary schools to catch them young and persuade them that there’s a future in engineering, but it’s the longest of shots) and not all of them have android phones and we send them to do day trips for work to Europe very, very often. How’s that going to work in November??? And the wife of one of my friend who’s a freelancer, that’s not going to be easy...what a colossal mess...

Overwhelming sentiment coming from the Tories (James Cleverley etc) on the 1pm Sky News that we are now entirely blameless for a no deal Brexit.

It's those pesky Europeans, completely inflexible, won't negotiate or accept our magical glitter and sparkle and entirely unicorn-like 'alternative arrangements' and won't ditch the backstop in favour of them.

Who'd have thought it?