Am I the only one?

[thrumylookingglass]

I have been reading with interest all the threads on this board. Am I the only who cannot believe the tone, content and the sheer catastrophe thinking about this issue? Reading threads about stockpiling and falling out with family and friends over this strikes me as strange. Historically, there a many, many more events that have had a humanitarian impact on the world ... Brexit is not one of these! There may, or may not, be an economic impact of Brexit, but will people die? Get killed? Be oppressed? There needs to be some perspective here.

[Helmetbymidnight]

i’ve learn’t from that is that common sense, co-operation and humanity are key! Without that .., what are we?

what do you think the eu is, op.

[Cobblersandhogwash]

"Brexit is the new millennium bug"

It's little wonder people worry and panic when this same old ignorant twaddle is churned our.

Do you really think the millennium arrived and nothing happens because nobody had done any preparation for it?

Thousands of IT man hours were spent on making sure the millennium bug didn't cause strife.

So stop making comparisons when you cleanly know feck all about the work that went into that.

If you don't want to prep etc then don't. But if you truly think no deal Brexit is going to be smooth sailing, then you're a fool on the hill.

[Cobblersandhogwash]

@thrumylookingglass do you mean whipping up hatred by calling people saboteurs that need to be crushed? Collaborators? Etc?

That kind of division you mean?

Half the U.K. population has been insulted and referred to as traitors since 2016.

They won't put up with it.

[bellinisurge]

Op, it only sounds like shouting to you because you have got your fingers stuck in your ears.

[Peregrina]

I’ve lost family and loved ones in other (European) conflicts.

In which case, I am surprised that you are not worried that it could happen here. Or are you just whistling in the dark?

[allthegins]

I agree with you OP. The remainers want things to go wrong so they can say ‘I told you so’ . It’s pathetic. No one knows what will happen. No one. I work for a global company. We sell and buy from the EU and African nations. They aren’t worried in the slightest. They’ve lost about £26,000 so far due to the exchange rate and that’s it. No job losses and in fact, we’ve been hiring.

[Mistigri]

I work for a global company. We sell and buy from the EU and African nations. They aren’t worried in the slightest. They’ve lost about £26,000 so far due to the exchange rate and that’s it. No job losses and in fact, we’ve been hiring.

A company that has lost (or gained) £26,000 so far is a very small company and probably one of the worryingly large % of SMEs who has not done anything about Brexit readiness, because they don't realise what they need to do.

[woman19]

Very few people living in britain now, who have European ancestry, have not lost family and loved ones in European wars.

No one living in britain now has not benefited from the relative Peace we have been lucky enough to live through for the last 70+ years, courtesy of the EU.

[Mistigri]

grown ups should not be whipping up hatred and panic.

You mean the grown ups in the Tory government who called people like me citizens of nowhere, saboteurs and queue jumpers?

The Tory minister who admitted that he could not guarantee no one would die of medicine shortages?

I could go on but you're just trolling and you're not worth the effort.

[bellinisurge]

@allthegins , glad you work for a company that afford to shrug off £26,000. And why this Remainer/Leave bullshit about this? I have said many times, I don't care how you voted as king as you can get a buffer of food in and stay away from the inevitable grumpiness at the shops. Y'know where the people who were whining on here about not enough ice lollies in the heatwave go. There are plenty of those people around and I don't want to be near them if it gets bumpy.

[twofingerstoEverything]

The remainers want things to go wrong so they can say ‘I told you so’ .
Some classic drivel here from allthegins.
Yes, we want division/screwed economy/job losses (maybe even our own!)/food and medicine shortages, because then we can sit here and say 'it's all shit, but I told you so' and bask in our superiority while our lives get fucked.

[bellinisurge]

Op, I want to be wrong. I really do. Do you?

[Peregrina]

Brexit is the new millennium bug, as far as I can see it, and also a great way to divide the people.

Then you can't see far! The pity of it is, is that if it had been a new millenium bug, up and down the country there would already have been thousands of people working on checking what needed to be done and finding ways to implement it.

I spent two whole years on Y2K work. On just one important system for my firm. At its height the team was 10 strong, plus occasional extra buy in from Contractors. 3 years after the Millenium, the rump of the team, by then down to three, was wound up because the job was finished. So at a guess, this took about seven years work. That BTW is typically how long trade deals take.

[AlphaJura]

Sick of leavers saying remainers 'want things to go wrong'. So they can be right . Why would remainers want to inflict suffering on their own families just to be proved right? Remainers are just genuinely worried about the potential damage to this country that'll affect everyone. It's leavers who bang on about 'winning' as if they've won a prize but the result affects us all. Personally I'd take being wrong about this if it means it won't adversely affect my family. I've seen nothing to convince me of this though. What's the point of being right if what you were right about is a fucking disaster!

[bellinisurge]

Egg on my face would be brilliant. A fantastic result. Because I am prepared to be wrong. I'll just have extra stuff in for the next bout of heavy snow (regular in my town near the Pennines) or if one of us gets poorly - I have MS so it's not impossible.
What about you, op?

[TheVanguardSix]

I have not declared myself as a leaver or a remainer. I believe in humanity.

That's noble of you. Our politicians don't.

[Stilltalkstotrees]

I think I now understand the frequent references to the millennium bug. It’s not that brexists deny there was a (potentially massive) problem that needed sorting - it’s that it was sorted. It was sorted by someone else, no responsibility, thought or work required by Joe Public. Like Brexit will be ‘just fine’ as it will be sorted by clever people (like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage). No need for us to worry about it. It’ll all be fine. Just like the Millennium Bug.

[woman19]

What's the point of being right if what you were right about is a f* disaster

There is a reason why the slogan at Yad Vashem is "Never forget".

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to make the same mistakes etc...........

The internet has been a slurry pit of misinformation and unpleasantness over the last decade.

It is also an endless source of free learning.

There is really no excuse not to educate oneself about what is going on, and its clear parallels with what has gone on before.

[bellinisurge]

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/no-deal-brexit-boris-public-opinion-poll-against-delay-cancel-second-referendum-a9062686.html

From the Independent just now. Are you one of the 34%

[Peregrina]

DB and BIL are heavily dependent on medication. I do not want either to die prematurely if they are unable to get it. As someone said, ' there is no point in being Dead right.'

[Helmetbymidnight]

its truly fascinating that people think we can overnight drop out of hundreds of deals covering trade (inc food and meds) transport, insurance, visas etc, deals that have been made gradually over 40 years and that there will be little or no negative effects!

[AlphaJura]

But the thing is, the politicians involved haven't exactly handled things well so far so what makes anyone think they'll suddenly become competent and sort this mess out so it's 'fine' is beyond me. They couldn't have fucked things up more if they'd tried. Even leavers admit this.

[Peregrina]

It was sorted by someone else, no responsibility, thought or work required by Joe Public.

Except an awful lot of us Joe Publics were involved in sorting it.