Am I the only one?

[thrumylookingglass]

I have been reading with interest all the threads on this board. Am I the only who cannot believe the tone, content and the sheer catastrophe thinking about this issue? Reading threads about stockpiling and falling out with family and friends over this strikes me as strange. Historically, there a many, many more events that have had a humanitarian impact on the world ... Brexit is not one of these! There may, or may not, be an economic impact of Brexit, but will people die? Get killed? Be oppressed? There needs to be some perspective here.

@thrumylookingglass I just want to ask you directly what you feel about the people of Northern Ireland?

That's a bit callous OP. So if 1/4 million people died in the 2004 tsunami and only 10,000 die due to Brexit, it's not a big deal? It is for the 10,000 and their families and communities.

Did you watch Years and Years? It was like a bloody documentary of our near future.

No, it wasn't. It was heavily biased left-wing propaganda from the BBC. All about how Brexit will lead to a far-right government and immigrants are going to be put in concentration camps and starved to death.

The real danger of an authoritarian government and an end of civil liberties including free speech is more likely to come from the left, from deranged Momentum extremists and their like.

@LittleAndOften totally not well off, and totally care about keeping my family safe and secure ... which isn’t about money!

"No, it wasn't. It was heavily biased left-wing propaganda from the BBC. All about how Brexit will lead to a far-right government and immigrants are going to be put in concentration camps and starved to death"

Yes it was. It was about the rise of populism and demise of democracy. Its already happened in America with Trump and his treatment of immigrants, and we are following suit with the amoral Boris, and his band of ultra-right brexiteers like JRM, Brexit and the legitimising of xenophobia. Racist and xenophobic hate crimes are already on the up. These things are already happening. That's not left wing fiction.

@Feduppluckingmychinhairs i’ll be honest, I don’t enough about Irish politics to give you an informed opinion.

I’m a humanitarian at heart! I trust we can all live in harmony and be kind to each other. Naive? ... maybe. But it’s got to be better than what we inflict in our fellow man in the interests of proving we’re right!

Feduppluckingmychinhairs i’ll be honest, I don’t enough about Irish politics to give you an informed opinion.

Fucking hell OP. How the heck do you think you can hold the opinion that people are over reacting, if you don’t have a clue about NI?

Get yourself educated about NI politics, then come back and say people are over reacting.

"i’ll be honest, I don’t enough about Irish politics to give you an informed opinion"

I didn't ask you about politics. I asked you how you felt about the PEOPLE of Northern Ireland.

Innocent people. Innocent children.

@lizzieSiddal because I believe in people and humanity.

I'm really not interested in being right. I'm interested in stopping this juggernaut of catastrophe our great leaders are blindly sending us into (or worse, they know exactly what they're doing and don't give a fuck about the people). It genuinely scares me.
Ultimately, any Brexit is worse for us than maintaining the status quo and will have severe consequences. Even brexiteers admit that.

Would you stop about "people and humanity". It's a meaningless phrase. It's not saying anything and using it in the context of NI and the GFA which you admit to being ignorant about, is frankly disgraceful.

@Feduppluckingmychinhairs i don’t support, or condone ANY oppression or mistreatment of anyone in the name of politics, children especially

@lizzieSiddal because I believe in people and humanity.

Your response to my post makes absolutely no sense. I’m beginning to think you’re a GF.

It's the total commendation of the abuse given to Leave voters that is abhorrent. Some of the comments I've seen on here have been revolting.
It's the perception that all the Leave voters are thick, old racist people. Don't Remain supporters understand that labelling those that don't agree with you as thick and racist is the most totalitarian stance. Your attitude comes across as I'm right and if you don't agree with me then you are a despicable human. I'm fucking sick of all these amazing Remain voters telling me that I'm scum.
Op you're not alone

@MaxNormal are you serious? Is it not okay to have a different point of view?

Sorry, what? What is your different view or are you just going to say sometging about humanity again?

@LizzieSiddal I don’t know what you mean by “i’m beginning to think you’re a GF” ?

We're all doomed and heading for civil unrest whatever happens. The lights will go out on 31st October and won't come back on for a very long time.

I am extremely worried for people and pets who are dependent on life saving drugs.

Food and medicine shortages, price rises, immediate recession, widespread poverty. A complete breakdown of law and order, the NHS collapses.

Christmas 2019 will not be merry for many, many people.

the UK was desperate to join,

I don't think this is quite true jasjas. The UK could, I believe, have been in from the beginning, but Churchill was more concerned about shoring up the Empire/Commonwealth. Only later did we realise that this was a mistake, and ask to join, to be rebuffed by de Gaulle, who had seen our half in half out commitment. So we had to wait until he had died.

@MaxNormal my view is quite clear! I’m basically saying that sanity, calm, temperance and common sense and trusting basic humanitarian values should prevail! What’s wrong with that?

I’m basically saying that sanity, calm, temperance and common sense and trusting basic humanitarian values should prevail! What’s wrong with that?

Nothing. But it won't come about by magic. It will have to be worked at, like any good relationship has to be worked at. The GFA was one such agreement, which was the fruit of a lot of hard work by a number of people. That people so carelessly think it can be thrown away angers me. Quite honestly, I don't know how you can hold your head up and boast that you are not interested in N I politics. Maybe you are too young to remember the Troubles? I suggest you get reading about N Ireland PDQ before you continue to witter on about common sense and humanitarian values.

Not a lot of common sense in trampling over the Good Friday Agreement though is there, OP? Which is currently what we're on track to do come 31st October, and which will almost undoubtedly ensure a return to violence in NI. That might not bother you, but as someone who is born and raised in Northern Ireland, and who has lived in the post-GFA generation, it fucking bothers me.

I’m not boasting about the fact that I don’t know about NI politics. I’m simply being honest that I don’t know enough about it to have an informed opinion. Surely this is better?

Switzerland are NOT in the EU, they are one of the healthiest, wealthiest, cleanest, countries in the world, not the EU the world, the GDP is nearly doubled that of the UK, why didn’t they join the EU? Because they wanted to take care of there own first and foremost, a and if anyone questions my information, I lived in Lausanne for 15 years. And yes I should have stayed.

In response to some comments, I do remember the troubles and the tragedies.