Am I the only one?

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I have been reading with interest all the threads on this board. Am I the only who cannot believe the tone, content and the sheer catastrophe thinking about this issue? Reading threads about stockpiling and falling out with family and friends over this strikes me as strange. Historically, there a many, many more events that have had a humanitarian impact on the world ... Brexit is not one of these! There may, or may not, be an economic impact of Brexit, but will people die? Get killed? Be oppressed? There needs to be some perspective here.

And what's more Copper, its leavers who will suffer most, given the socio-economic facts pertaining to who typically voted leave.

You cannot seriously think that the experts are lying to us as one, can you?

Bear, thank you for saying that you are not going to continue to bore me with you twaddle. I am delighted because I have had enough of it.
You used to try and bully people in the Brexit Arms, but I won't be bullied.

Evidence to date - how about the state of the pound?

How about the millions that have been spent by companies in setting up distribution centres in Ireland? Do you think they won't recover that capital investment by pushing up prices?

copper no one is bullying you.

If you really don’t want to look at the facts before forming your opinions, any discussion is completely pointless.

And choosing to form opinions without looking at the facts is nothing to be proud of.

How about Portsmouth Council who have spent millions FROM THEIR BUDGET ie from money for education, bins, libraries, care homes, building facilities to cope with the influx of HGVs from France which will be forced to used Portsmouth as Dover will be full? Shove that evidence where the sun don't shine.

There really is a hardcore cult of Leavers who simply refuse to look at this situation objectively.

It’s mind blowingly frightening.

Hello Copper, no response to my facts? I thought not.

Anyone going to this? Please share widely, even if it makes no difference in the end you'll be able to tell your children in the years to come that you didn't stand by and do nothing.

www.peoples-vote.uk/let_us_be_heard

Copied from the other Brexit thread.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49420841

Why on earth who anyone support leaving the EU and risking health?

It’s project fear from the remain ‘experts’ - most of it is propaganda & bull shit.
No one knows how it’s all going to pan out, absolutely no one.

Bucking,
Please tell me how Portsmouth Council's actions, or the value of sterling, or the money being spent by companies to prepare, is evidence of

The NHS will be sold to the US and we will have to pay for health care
Workers' rights will be destroyed

the normal ones- basically because they're not very bright. they genuinely think dropping out of 100s of deals governing trade/medicine/food/transport/travel etc overnight might be really fantastic. theyre the kind of people who walk out in front of fast cars and then are properly shocked to be hit.

the wealthy ones because they might benefit/wont be so badly affected.

@tomtom1999xx

No one knows how it’s all going to pan out, absolutely no one.

So people voted for something without a fucking clue what would happen?

What a coincidence that all of these experts are non BeLeavers!
You can’t argue that the chief of the Royal College of Physicians, the British Dental Association, the Royal Pharmaceutical Society, Kidney Care UK and the Royal College of Emergency Medicine are all buffoons, right? At the very least they’ll have a degree to get where they are

Anyway
Nobody knows anything about the future. I don’t know if I’ll be hit by a bus tomorrow morning on the way to work. That’s not a good reason to refuse to look left and right when I cross the street.
Yours is not an argument. It’s a declaration of faith. If you like to live your life driven but faith and trust (in politicians, in this case), it’s a legitimate choice.
I would not

Priti Patel wants only to let in immigrants who can command a salary of £36,000 a year. If anyone thinks that a farmer is going to pay a fruit picker the equivalent of £18 an hour, they are living in cloud cuckoo land.

We don’t pay structural engineers 36k a year (unfortunately) till they are 5-6 years into the role, and chartered. A profession that requires 5 years of university.

So people voted for something without a fucking clue what would happen?

Many were willing to take a risk yes, a risk worth taking in their opinion. Which just goes to show that the EU isn’t that great, because if it was, everyone would have voted to remain.

Well unless they'd been told a raft of lies about the EU.

And unless they mistakenly thought that any problems they had were the fault of the EU and not our own government.

The EU is not perfect. Of course it isn't.

But I've read a lot of bullshit beliefs about it and a lot of bullshit beliefs about the role of our sovereign government.

So it's hard to take the leave vote seriously as an informed vote.

@tomtom1999xx the EU isn't that great, but it serves its members well. People who voted leave were lied to, plain and simple. Having been duped, many are too proud or ashamed to admit it, but I hope the ballot box will enable them to assuage their remorse. Others are so insulated or disengaged that it's passing them by. Others are so delusional that they spout sound bites with no substance, indicating cult like belief in the leave cause. Which one are you?

Many were willing to take a risk yes, a risk worth taking in their opinion. Which just goes to show that the EU isn’t that great, because if it was, everyone would have voted to remain.

Except the very vast majority of anything resembling reasons for voting to leave were due to factors which had absolutely nothing to do with the EU

Copper I have given you evidence of how things have already got worse, and will get worse, which is what you asked for. Ffs.

On the BBC website right now in the business section;

"A senior executive at a major food retailer has told the BBC it is considering introducing rationing.
It will prevent firms that have not made their own no-deal Brexit plan from using food retailers as wholesalers.
But he said he did not envisage that the limits would affect normal retail customers.
"One potential problem is that businesses who are struggling with their supply chains effectively use ours," he said.
"We would need to limit the amount restaurants or convenience stores, for example, that are short of stock could buy," said the executive, who spoke to the BBC on condition of anonymity.
Not the first time
"We wouldn't use the word rationing but that is effectively what it is. Limiting the volumes small businesses can purchase so that our retail customers get a chance to get what they need.""

Quite how they distinguish between a small business owner or their employee and an ordinary punter, I don't know.

Happy now, @Coppersulphate

What the fuck do you think is going to happen to the NHS without the EU staff it currently relies on? It won't work, it will simply be unable to function free at the point of delivery; already the prescriptions arm is being privatised. You are naive

bucking there’s no point in challenging copper

This is a person who disagrees with the ECJ ‘on principle’ whilst simultaneously confusing the role of the ECJ with that of the ECHR.

the EU isn't that great, but it serves its members well

Clearly not or we wouldn’t have voted to leave.

People who voted leave were lied to, plain and simple

Time will tell.

Having been duped, many are too proud or ashamed to admit it

Or maybe they don’t feel duped and are very happy we’re leaving. Unless you’ve carried out an in-depth survey on each & every leave voter you’re merely speculating.

I hope the ballot box will enable them to assuage their remorse

We had a general election after the referendum and the two main brexit supporting parties won by a mile.
The recent European elections were an even bigger endorsement for brexit with Nigel Farage’s party doing better than even he expected!

Others are so delusional that they spout sound bites with no substance, indicating cult like belief

You could be describing many remainers there tbh.