Am I the only one?

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I have been reading with interest all the threads on this board. Am I the only who cannot believe the tone, content and the sheer catastrophe thinking about this issue? Reading threads about stockpiling and falling out with family and friends over this strikes me as strange. Historically, there a many, many more events that have had a humanitarian impact on the world ... Brexit is not one of these! There may, or may not, be an economic impact of Brexit, but will people die? Get killed? Be oppressed? There needs to be some perspective here.

Helmetbymidnight calm down I voted remain 😂 But it is true people struggle with change because change brings the unknown.

so you're contribution is that the reason people are anxious about no deal brexit - and the economic downturn and food and med shortages is that people are merely afraid of change?

rigghht.

You didn't bat an eyelid when the remain poster said she had taken a test drive in a £70,000 electric car a few days ago - how about the remain poster who said she was married to a London hospital doctor/consultant? It's ok to be middle class as long as you voted remain? Clearly. I'm a remainer and no deal Brexit will be disastrous for us. All this ranting against people who voted a different way is ugly and it's not constructive. How does it help people get their medicine in the event of a no deal?

But it is true people struggle with change because change brings the unknown

But in this case, the change in question is not unknown, so when a govt leaked report states the likely outcomes (not worst ones) and they inc "severe medicine shortages" then its very clearly known and this is why people are getting upset, its all so unnecessary.

Is this change unknown?

Economists and trade experts have been flagging the issues for ages and before the referendum.

Gove dismissed 'experts'.

So those in the full embrace of the Brexit cult felt they had someone on their side even though they clearly hadn't done their homework. Only at the University of Life and the School of Hard Knocks.

People are afraid of what is damaging. Not necessarily the unknown.

Nobody can claim this damage is unknown.

We were warned over and over and over.

This whole Brexit is an exercise in creating damage.

Helmetbymidnight why are you so aggressive? No wonder brexiteers all laughs at us. The economy is a wild beast and the downturn cannot be solely attributed to Brexit, issues with China and the USA will have a lot to do with it also. Food and med shortages are just news stories at the moment - We don’t know what’s going to happen with that. Most likely if there are shortages it will be down to panic buying and mass hysteria. I’m apprehensive too but that’s because I wanted things to stay as they were, I don’t like the uncertainty that Brexit brings - what’s wrong with that as an answer?

Ah yes, buying an extra can of beans in June, July and August is actual panicking 😂.

The way to avoid panic buying is to get a buffer of shelf stable and/or free able food in your pantry months in advance by adding affordable extra to your regular shop.

Which I have been suggesting for about a year now.

BeLeavers can do their last minute panic buying when they realise that Sainsburys doesn't stock unicorns.

Freezable not free able. Though that would be good!

bellinisurge I have a had a little Brexit stash going for a while...

What I don't get is why the many, many expert warnings and indeed government's own no deal planning papers are being so readily dismissed as scaremongering and catstrophising.

This government has killed off plenty of people with spare room tax, sanctions and cutting of vital services. Windrush. Grenfell and complete lack of response to prevent another. Magic non existing ferries. Two PMs and i've lost count how many Brexit secretaries and associated cabinet members have given up on the impossible job of Brexit. Yet people still trust the tories and apparently the EU's magic humanitarianism that can get through hard borders to keep us safe and prevent the shortages thay we are being told, by experts, will happen.

A stashing leaver?! That's just not cricket!

What I don't get is why the many, many expert warnings and indeed government's own no deal planning papers are being so readily dismissed as scaremongering and catastrophising

its hard to understand- but ime the people who say shortages will only be down to panic/hysteria or that people are only anxious because its change sadly have no idea what No deal brexit entails and have virtual no understanding of politics in general.

Having trumpeted their views - usually on FB and in public generally, they are too embarrassed to admit that maybe "it's a bit more complicated than that". And so Leavers are doubling down (as they say in US) rather than compromising.
Me, I'd love to be wrong with egg all over my face. Small price to pay, I would have thought.
But no, now they all have to say "we are happy with No Deal; it's what we voted for with full knowledge it would happen ".

I don’t get the impression that many MNers care about why a lot of people from deprived areas voted Brexit in the first place.

As Corbyn says in today’s Guardian: “All I have been trying to do ever since the referendum is say there has to be an understanding of why communities around the country voted to leave because they see no investment, jobs or improvement in their livelihoods for a very long time and they are very, very angry. What we are offering is to transform our society and our economy.”

If the EU put so much funding into these deprived communities then it doesn’t seem like many ordinary people on the ground have seen the benefits.

One post I saw on the Brexit board a while ago that has stuck with me was a poster from Richmond or Hampstead (or some equally wealthy part of London, can’t remember) bemoaning how, thanks to Brexit, the value of her home had fallen by £350k. I mean, I feel a bit sorry for her on a personal level but really, how out of touch can you be?!! Most people’s entire homes aren’t worth that (if they’re lucky enough to own their own home at all, that is).

so tbc you think people from deprived areas are going to benefit from a no deal brexit?

That’s not what I said. But there’s a reason why people voted for it - and Corbyn has got it spot on.

im so fed up with this fake narrative that brexit was about rich v poor people. its just not true.
theres far more evidence to suggest it was the old v young...

i could name several mn brexiteers who are very 'comfortably off' : how out of touch or is it just plain nasty that you can be wishing food and medical shortages on poor people while you can afford to: leave the country/private education/private healthcare etc?

im so fed up with this fake narrative that brexit was about rich v poor people. its just not true.

Of course it’s more complicated than that. But Corbyn is correct in what he says.

(And by the way, I’m not a particular Corbyn fan but even I would agree with that!)

i think most people understand why some poorer people voted brexit.

they blame the eu for years of govt failings to invest or help their area. the leave campaign suggested their lives would improve (they lied)
its not some great mystery here.

who knows what the fuck corbyn has been trying to do re brexit. THAT is a mystery.

@Dongdingdong just come back from a holiday in South Wales. Fab infrastructure- roads etc, all paid for by big dollops of cash from the EU. Tourist enticing infrastructure too at various sites (beaches castles etc) similarly funded. I grew up in a run down tourist haven which still has many problems. But make it a decent destination for tourists and it brings money and jobs. Doesn't cure everything. But there will be no equivalent investment from Westminster.

@Dongdingdong just come back from a holiday in South Wales. Fab infrastructure- roads etc, all paid for by big dollops of cash from the EU. Tourist enticing infrastructure too at various sites (beaches castles etc) similarly funded.

That’s South Wales. What about the Labour heartlands up north? If governments hadn’t ignored these parts of the country for decades then perhaps they’d have been less inclined to vote for Brexit and the perceived better future they believed that would bring.

i still know loads of people who think we're going to get masses of moneyback by leaving the eu- they still believe that (non existent) money is going on the nhs.

what can you do?

If governments hadn’t ignored these parts of the country for decades then perhaps they’d have been less inclined to vote for Brexit and the perceived better future they believed that would bring

well yes. this is nothing new!

but also, the northern labour cities didnt vote brexit. scotland didnt vote brexit. educated people tended not to vote brexit- and 18 million people in the thames estuary did vote brexit...northern deprived areas are just part of a picture- but the devastating thing is that everyones lives will be harder - poorer peoples lives more so - because of that vote three years ago.

@Dongdingdong , I live "up North". I'm from an "up North" seaside town. Why do you think I don't get the "snake oil" that people have been sold.