Am I the only one?

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I have been reading with interest all the threads on this board. Am I the only who cannot believe the tone, content and the sheer catastrophe thinking about this issue? Reading threads about stockpiling and falling out with family and friends over this strikes me as strange. Historically, there a many, many more events that have had a humanitarian impact on the world ... Brexit is not one of these! There may, or may not, be an economic impact of Brexit, but will people die? Get killed? Be oppressed? There needs to be some perspective here.

I don’t get the impression that many MNers care about why a lot of people from deprived areas voted Brexit in the first place. I think you've encapsulated the whole problem in a sentence. How dare those pesky poor people who I patronise at every turn vote in a way which threatens my middle class existence.

yeah, why get the hump with brexiteers who dont care about recessions/food and medicine shortages etc when you can blame the people who dont want that?

makes no sense at all but hey.

Corbyn is only speaking of Labour voters though. What about all those comfortably off Tories in the South East who voted for Brexit?

Let's start with Boris Johnson, John Redwood.... why are they Leavers? Admittedly Redwood's constituency voted Remain, but the Referendum vote wasn't compiled on a constituency basis.

I will answer my own question - in Redwood's case ££££££, or maybe $$$$$$$.

Johnson, the opportunity to be PM and Rule the World.

Derxa- but that's not true. Plenty of working class people voted remain and vice versa. Just about all the Leave voters I know are way better off than me.

Corbyn is only speaking of Labour voters though. What about all those comfortably off Tories in the South East who voted for Brexit?

Who cares about them? It’s the poorer Brexit voters from deprived areas who need to be listened to and now. And that’s what Corbyn is saying.

I live "up North". I'm from an "up North" seaside town. Why do you think I don't get the "snake oil" that people have been sold.

Good for you. But I don’t get the impression that you’re particularly badly off, given that you’ve just returned from a holiday in South Wales.

dear god, so as a cohort of wealthy brexiteers drag this country into huge recession, food/med shortages, loss of rights and huge problems with irish boarder, in 6 weeks time, corbyns big new answer is i know, lets go and listen to the brexit labour voters in deprived areas?

genius.

Good for you. But I don’t get the impression that you’re particularly badly off, given that you’ve just returned from a holiday in South Wales

is this another joke? her opinion is invalid because she had a holiday in south wales?

most brexiteers (not leave voters, i mean those who still believe) in mn and in rl are 'comfortably off'. how can you not know this?

@Dongdingdong , you clearly know fuck all about me. If "having a holiday " makes me wealthy, you have a skewed idea of all sorts of things.

dear god, so as a cohort of wealthy brexiteers drag this country into huge recession, food/med shortages, loss of rights and huge problems with irish boarder, in 6 weeks time, corbyns big new answer is i know, lets go and listen to the brexit labour voters in deprived areas?

Corbyn is 100% correct in what he says - it's high time the government started seriously listening to people from deprived areas.

Also, Corbyn wouldn't let us leave the EU with no deal, but unfortunately people still won't vote for him to be PM despite that. Instead they waste their votes on the Lib Dems (who will never win a majority).

most brexiteers (not leave voters, i mean those who still believe) in mn and in rl are 'comfortably off'. how can you not know this?

Evidence?

@Dongdingdong , you clearly know fuck all about me. If "having a holiday " makes me wealthy, you have a skewed idea of all sorts of things.

I haven't had a holiday in five years because I can't afford it.

Anyway, I'm not getting into an argument because I have to go to work. But anyone who can't see that what Corbyn's saying is correct really needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

you clearly know fuck all about me. If "having a holiday " makes me wealthy, you have a skewed idea of all sorts of things.

Where did I say you were wealthy? I said that you're not particularly badly off. Huge difference.

Again, does having a holiday mean that I am "not badly off".
Mind you, as a fan girl of magic grandpa , I doubt your judgement in a lot of things.

if corbyn had listened to labour voters and campaigned properly for remain three years ago, we might not be in such shit today.

hes a useless leader unfortunately and no one respects him (especially former labour voters in deprived areas)

of course people from deprived areas needed/need to be listened to - what on earth is new or revolutionary about this?

and i dont believe (most) people voted brexit to screw the economy, the nhs and the gfa. thats what will happen - but yeah as a remainer - apparently im the one who doesn't give a shit.

Also, Corbyn wouldn't let us leave the EU with no deal, but unfortunately people still won't vote for him to be PM despite that. Instead they waste their votes on the Lib Dems (who will never win a majority).
Corbyn is too late to the Brexit party. He has lost support because he's sat on the fence for so long. He is Leader of the Opposition. His job is to oppose the government and he has been singularly shit at doing so. I'm a traditional Labour supporter, but live in a Tory safe seat. Because of FPTP system, a vote for the LibDems is not a wasted vote in my constituency (they are making gains at every election), whereas a vote for Labour certainly is.
Voting to leave the EU, as others have pointed out above, is likely to leave deprived areas poorer. Corbyn is right that we need to listen to people from these areas, but Brexit isn't the answer and this is the first fallacy that should be addressed IMO.

im a remainer And ive taken a holiday -
clearly anything i say on brexit is wrong/out of self-interest only.

on mn brexiteers, i cant name names, can i?
i can pm you if you like.

the stats show that age and education were the biggest indicators of vote- not income- over 60s were the biggest cohort of voters - and that is at present where the wealth is concentrated in this country. the average profile of brexit party members is property-owning over 65 ex-tory voter.

Well, this thread has taken an unexpected "Four Yorkshiremen" turn

I'm a remainer and I haven't had a holiday since 2012, so am I allowed an opinion?
I confess I don't live in a paper bag, so not sure if that cancels out the above.

I haven't read the full thread yet so I'm sorry if the point has already been made but people living in Sarajevo had a similar attitude initially about the break up of Yugoslavia. I'm not suggesting similar will happen in the UK but it's just an interesting comparison to make.

the stats show that age and education were the biggest indicators of vote- not income

Are you sure income wasn’t also a big indicator @Helmetbymidnight? Because these stats from the Spectator suggest otherwise:

“Of local authorities with average house prices of less than £282,000, 79 per cent voted Leave; where house prices are above that figure, just 28 per cent did so.”

“Then there’s pay, the basic gauge of one’s place in the pecking order: 77 per cent of local authorities in which lots of people earn a low wage (of less than £23,000) voted Leave, compared with only 35 per cent of areas with decent pay packets.”

www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-voters-are-not-thick-not-racist-just-poor/

Do you have any stats that show different?

Corbyn is supporting the Tories in achieving a no deal Brexit. That I s not supporting the poor. He needs to step aside quickly.

I wish Corbyn had the gumption to spell out to his electorate what Labour had done in the past for them e.g. more money for schools, etc. Instead of crossing his fingers and hoping that he will win a GE and bring his Lexiter plans into fruition, which might be a more sympathetic version than the Tories plan, but still won't be all that good.

dongding that thing about house prices makes no sense whatsoever because house prices differ from region to region. £282,000 would get you hardly anything in London/South East, but would buy you this in Scunthorpe. All they're saying, basically, is that property prices vary from region to region. Living in this poky little flat in West London would not mean you have more disposable income (or be what the Spectator calls 'well to do') than someone living in that Scunthorpe house. That is one of the most rubbish arguments I've ever seen.

I notice you chose not to cut and paste this bit from the same article:
Of the 240 local authorities that have low education levels — i.e. more than a quarter of adults do not have five A to Cs at GCSE — 83 per cent voted Leave.