Do you think we definitely WILL leave the EU on October 31st 2019?

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As it says in the title really - do you think we will definitely leave the EU on that date or do you think we'll still be "in" on November 1st?

Also, do you think we will leave with a deal or without a deal - and will Boris still be PM by then?

I'm just wondering how people will think the next three months are going to pan out, basically.

I do! I’ve got double citizenship and pay taxes in two countries and in my native one I’ve got a long-fought right to vote for a MP representative (there are a few places to cover for expats of different continents).
It is a representation of the reality: I’ve got a life that spans between countries, I’ve got history and interests in both, voting is not a binary thing (one country or another). It’s even possible to do the military service in multiple countries, god knows what would happen if you’re then called up to serve from both...but it’s the way it is. Like me, millions of people have mixed lives, and we tend to also reproduce and mix even more with our kids. That’s why it was so good to have a bigger organisation to belong to, a trait d’union, an institution designed to facilitate peace and cooperation and make boundaries less relevant

@Tengel and you don't think he may have come to those views because he is very intelligent, well educated, does lots of research and a bit of an expert in the field of science? You've just proved Gove's point. Far better to listen to non experts and their non facts and non experience and non research.

BrIan Cox partied a lot in the 90s. It could have affected his brain.

The news now is that BJ will have a GE on the 1st of nov, one day after we leave. Can someone explain to me to me the point of this? I can't figure out the reasons?

I understand having one beforehand but after, when the shit has already hit the fan? I don't get it.

1/11 election means Tories hoover up Brexit vote as most of these people won't have realised the chaos ahead. Election also means PURDAH so civil service and public bodies have to be very careful on the statements it releases so not to look politically biased.

The news now is that BJ will have a GE on the 1st of nov, one day after we leave. Can someone explain to me to me the point of this? I can't figure out the reasons

Where are you getting this news?

There is a lot of speculation and hysteria but nothing concrete ATM so saying it is news and BJ will do something when it hasn't happened yet is just winding yourself and others up

I was interested to read that Johnson intends to relax the Tier 1 quota to attract scientists. This however, isn't the problem - applications are already below the ceiling for tier 1 - they just don't want to come.

they just don't want to come.

They're just not as clever as TrueBeLeavers like our new friend here, so we don't need them.

@Oliversmumsarmy

Here is one article. Was also in the telegraph
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/09/no-10-cancels-staff-leave-raising-possibility-of-snap-election

I'm not getting wound up at all. Genuinely interested in the reasons for this tactic.

@GhostofFrankGrimes Thanks for that info. So the whole idea would be to wipe out the Brexit party? Then they'd worry about the consequences later?

Election also means PURDAH so civil service and public bodies have to be very careful on the statements it releases so not to look politically biased.

This is interesting , does this mean that a public body or the civil service is not allowed to mention facts ? Because a fact is a fact, there are plenty of people who will dismiss a fact because they do not like that fact, that is then an opinion . So is a personal opinion more relevant and important than an actual bona fide fact ?

@frumpety - So is a personal opinion more relevant and important than an actual bona fide fact ?

The problem is when personal opinion is presented as fact. As Simon Coveney (The Táiniste) said (paraphrasing Daniel Patrick Moynihan) regarding the bull that was being spouted during the Tory leadership campaign: “We have to respect the British political system, but we have a responsibility to ensure that the commentary in relation to Ireland and Ireland’s position on Brexit is based on facts . . . people are entitled to their opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts”.

There's still a chance to delay the Brexit deadline again.
Before Boris was officially elected the EU said they would offer an extension to the new prime minister if he wanted it, officially the PM needs to ask for an extension rather than the EU offering it but it looks like all we need to do is get Boris to ask.
A friend of mine has a petition going on the UK Parliament Petitions website:
Instruct Boris Johnson to request a Brexit Deadline extension
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269499/sponsors/new?token=2UbCtEofuSrK4Zk7Svsk
Boris Johnson should respect the wishes of parliament and the general public to avoid No Deal Brexit by requesting a Brexit Deadline extension. Parliament should compel the Prime Minister to send a formal letter to the EU requesting an extension of our Article 50 arrangement for at least 6 months.
It's not legally binding but a big petition telling him we want an extension might convince him to act?

@Cybergenesis - There's still a chance to delay the Brexit deadline again.

Not unless the request is for something specific like a GE or a new referendum. Johnson has pissed off everyone in the EU. Given they had already lost patience with the UK pre-Johnson, there is no way a unanimous decision to extend will be made for more of the same crap.

people are entitled to their opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts”.

Now that needs sticking on the side of a bus and in the National curriculum.

@frumpety - I know. I thought it was brilliant.

blankittyblank it is just opinion not fact.

I can think of another reason leave has been cancelled until 31st October

What I was trying to point out is someone writing

The news now is that BJ will have a GE on the 1st of nov, one day after we leave

Makes it sound like fact and it isn't. It is speculation

presumably you also pay tax where you live now. So are you suggesting you should be able to vote in two countries

Where I live now does not charge income tax (pay silly rents instead and £10 for a glass of beer). Have residency, but not citizenship. Where I work now would never give a non born and bred national citizenship as they would be entitled to a share of Oil revenue.

Great to see new 50p commemorative coins will be minted in time for Brexit day.

This is a moment of national celebration and hopefully all can join in and put the divisions behind us 🍾 🇬🇧

Wonder if the new coins will be legal tender of Brexit does not happen

Tengel you are hilarious Keep up the good work, you make me laugh!

It's not legally binding but a big petition telling him we want an extension might convince him to act?

Why should he take any notice. 6 Million of us signed a previous petition and the answer was "sod off."

So @NosyBe2006 is another one. Like our Australian friend and the bloke from the Far East.
Live far away and think they can pass themselves off as UK based Leave voters directly affected by No Deal until they are rumbled for what they are - playing a board game of Risk with other people's peace and prosperity.
And none of them lobbied for EU citizens living in the UK to have had the right to vote in the referendum . And all attempt to claim some parity with British posters who live in the EU who, unlike them, are directly affected by this.
Pathetic.

@Tengel , there are a few people on here who would love a party with you only you will have to pay a lot of money for an air ticket to get to them.

To Bellini

If I am a UK Taxpayer why should I not be allowed to vote? If UK government takes money from me I am entitled to a say in how it is spent. Even those on benefits are allows to vote and they pay zero tax.

Even those on benefits are allows to vote and they pay zero tax.

A myth already debunked, because they will pay VAT on many of the things they purchase. Which for people on a low fixed income is a higher proportion of their outgoings than that for wealthier people.

Do keep up there.