Do you think we definitely WILL leave the EU on October 31st 2019?

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As it says in the title really - do you think we will definitely leave the EU on that date or do you think we'll still be "in" on November 1st?

Also, do you think we will leave with a deal or without a deal - and will Boris still be PM by then?

I'm just wondering how people will think the next three months are going to pan out, basically.

Maybe he’s less the bumbling fool that he pretends to be

This. He absolutely isn't a bumbling fool. It's an act he has perfected over the years. He is a cold, self serving man with only his own ambition in mind.

Merkel hasn't given a 30 days deadline to Johnson

I know, but UK is full of it along the lines a vote of no confidence can’t happen until the 30 days have expired

I still came back with plenty of workable solutions but you find faults in all of them, so now we go, if you want to do border checks in Ireland by all means it’s your prerogative, we won’t but let it be clear- the blame is all on you if you do

I agree. Similar point was made on Question Time 4 April 2019. The Irish MEP, Mairead McGuiness was told by a no deal supporter, Charles Moore, that no deal would be a bigger problem for Ireland than the UK. That statement was not challenged by the MEP.

Later in the program the subject of a border between NI and ROI arose. The MEP was asked who is going to put up the border. Reply was ROI would not put up a border to which the no deal supporter said neither will UK so it then falls onto the EU and the audience applauded. MEP didn’t challenge that either other than to murmur that it was tragic.

So I agree that it could well be Johnson’s strategy to say “not UK fault if EU insist ROI follows the EU border rules”. He may even say same to Trump?

I found a petition against No Deal the other day that is still tiny but 8000 signatories-

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/262986

I think there will be no deal because the ERG and meatloaf remainers won't compromise enough to prevent it. I will blame both groups equally.

Im sure people would vote diferently now knowing whats ahead. People didnt vote for 'no deal'. Everyone said it would be easy-no probs.
I feel BJ is being undemocratic.

What does meatloaf remainer mean.Does name calling help?

A 'meatloaf remainer' refers to the Meatloaf song ' I would do anything for love but I won't do that', ie those who say they will do their utmost to avoid no deal but won't vote for the WA or the other alternative options that were put forward ie Norway, customs union etc or Corbyn as temporary PM. It's a term that many journalists have started to use and imo is a fair description.

Sadly we have JoJoMamanBebe who won't have Corbyn as PM, and Corbyn who won't have anyone else as PM.

We are in need of that mythical (and metaphorical) bus driver who was going to run over Margaret Thatcher so someone else could lead the Tories to come back and (metaphorically) flatten JC on his bike coming back from the allotment.

It depends what you mean by "fool". He has lacked self-discipline in epic proportions, but he is very intelligent and has the advantage of a great education. What matters now is that he manages his people well.

I doubt whether he is 'very intelligent'. Johnson has had the benefit of an expensive education but to date has shown little evidence of using it wisely.

Megan , true he has had the best education money can buy and nobody should doubt his intelligence. I do wonder what his motivation is ? , so far it seems to be purely about the Boris Brand, quite Trumpesque.
As I have said before, I think Boris is the only person who could actually pull off revoking article 50. Whether he chooses to or not remains to be seen. I won't be at all surprised if he does do it, albeit at the very last minute.

Intrigued by 'manages his people well' Megan , what do you mean by that ?

I mean he has to choose his team well and get the best out of them. We've probably all been in the situation where a bad boss prevents us doing our best work. I personally have never minded an incompetent boss (have had a few, some even quite likeable), the worst thing you can have is an insecure boss (one who is afraid to let you shine in case it just outshines them) or one who just doesn't give you the freedom to do your job well (the Theresa May type). If he can get his team working well, many of his other weaknesses won't be important.

Peregrina he won scholarships both to Eton and Oxford (according to Wikipedia - not sure if that's reliable but it is often said at least). That is very hard to do if you are not intelligent.

Unfortunately, I think someone from a moneyed background would find it much easier to win said scholarships. If he'd made his way from a Comprehensive in special measures then yes, I would believe that he really was able.

Someone like Denis Skinner, from humble origins, did win a grammar school place and was intelligent enough to go to university, but chose to work instead. I have much more respect for his intelligence, even though I don't share his politics.

I agree that less well off parents are less likely to put their kids forward for Eton for any number of reasons, so not having had a scholarship does not mean you are not able. Still, this doesn't mean that someone with a scholarship to both Eton and Oxford can be anything less than very able.

If he really is 'very able' then the pity is that he doesn't put that education to better use.

Yes, we’ll be leaving without a deal and the nation will slip into slow, steady decline.

Blowjob's intelligence isn't really the issue though. It's clear that he had sort of intelligence that made it easy to get good exam results in essay subjects, but that he was also a lazy and entitled student.

Unfortunately, in the real world unless you are very well connected, this isn't enough. Johnson has got a long way based on a gift for a judicious turn of phrase, plus support from patrons, advisors and deputies, but this only goes so far.

Oh God, did you have to call him that Mistigri? Just about to eat dinner 🤮

I have to say, I always wondered if he got to Eton through the 'scholarship' route, was it the 'best impression of Wooster' scholarship and nobody has informed him he can stop now ?

No i really do not think we will

I think I can confidently say we won't!

Just a wild guess here, but, no.