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Do you judge people on how they voted?

347 replies

Rock4please · 01/08/2019 07:55

Just that really. I used to have an open mind on meeting somebody new but, if I discover that they voted leave, I am not interested in furthering the relationship. Similarly, with Americans, I don’t want to associate with anyone who supports Trump.

Am I being unfair and narrow minded or do you judge new people in a similar way?

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MotherofKitties · 02/08/2019 12:18

No.

Because every persons reasons for voting the way they did for Brexit differs to the next person. If someone voted leave that doesn't mean they're a racist bigot, if someone voted remain that doesn't mean they're a snowflake lefty.

How somebody voted was personal to them, and whether you agree with it or not, it was their choice to make, as was yours.

FWIW, half of my family voted to remain, the other half voted to leave. Even though our votes differ, we still talk, we don't begrudge the other for having different opinions, and life goes on.

Bumper1969 · 02/08/2019 12:26

Element where have remainders been called thick or racist? I'm a leftie myself but no where have I encountered the vitriol directed at leave voters than from remain voters. I'm not getting into an argument, the thread is about whether or not to be/stay/become friends with opposite voters.
I'm not willing to add to the hideous divide that has absolutely helped create the mess the UK in in.

Lweji · 02/08/2019 12:51

I suppose the vitriol is because of the (very predictable) mess the UK got into.
It was like voting to walk into quick sand without knowing how to cross it safely or having a safety plan. If not stupid or racist, then certainly callous, which falls in the first category, really.

Bumper1969 · 02/08/2019 14:13

Lweji thank you for illustrating my point so succinctly. More vitriol, own goal. So every person, every single one is callous. Wow!

InTheHeatofLisbon · 02/08/2019 14:18

So every person, every single one is callous. Wow!

What other word would you use to describe someone who voted for the unknown, despite several warnings of the impact on other people?

Personally I wouldn't use callous for every leave voter.

I'd use responsible.

As in responsible for the mess we find ourselves in.

They knew they were voting for the unknown, that there was no plan.

Well this is the reality of it and I'm fed up of reading leavers bleating its the government's fault/the EU's fault/remainers fault for not making it clearer.

No, this situation is down to every single person who put a cross in the Leave box.

Hence, responsible.

KennDodd · 02/08/2019 14:29

No, this situation is down to every single person who put a cross in the Leave box.

I agree. You were told what it would be like and you voted Leave deliberately, knowing people would suffer and that it could even reignite a civil war. This mess is on you.

TheElementsSong · 02/08/2019 14:31

where have remainders been called thick or racist?

I'm sure, Bumper, that you can show me where a Remainer called, and I quote from your post, "all leave voters thick and racist" - several people have been at pains to point out that they don't think "all Leavers etc" whilst others have related that in their personal experience the ones they have met are. In neither case would that mean "all 17 million Leavers..."

In fact, in my personal experience (see what I did there?) the most common purveyors of the "all Leavers " "every single person is callous" strawman are Leavers themselves, or born-again ex-Remainers.

TheElementsSong · 02/08/2019 14:33

Whereas I support Lisbon's choice of word. Responsible.

Every single person who voted for X shares a responsibility for the results of X.

And to be fair and balanced, every single person who voted for X deserves a share in the credit for the results of X.

Valanice1989 · 02/08/2019 14:42

Tories and Labour want the same outcomes, they just disagree on the way of getting there.

But that doesn't fit the "Tories want us all in poverty and love eating babies" narrative,

Are you serious, @Janista? The Tories cut disability benefits. What kind of person thinks, of all the cuts the government could make, disability benefits should be among them?

Lweji · 02/08/2019 14:42

I'm yet to find any Leaver with what I'd consider a reasonable argument for leaving, so...

Lweji · 02/08/2019 14:43

Worst even for voting Leave without an actual plan being proposed.

DemocratleaveEU · 02/08/2019 14:44

You all seriously have mental health issues. Falling out with people over how they voted, belittling leavers, but offer no credible response as to why we need to stay in.

chickenyhead · 02/08/2019 14:44

Wish I'd voted leave now, what a sorry lot to be lumped in with.

My leave friends wanted to leave due to the amount of money being spent in this country in complying with much of the frankly absurd EU legislation, a vast proportion of our civil service, who are interestingly now recruited to redraft independent UK legislation. Not to mention the 11bn VAT fraud debt owed to the UK due to missing trader fraud. This sum being written off so that it consistently fails to appear in official figures.
The figures for SIPPS frauds and other tax frauds were not shared at work in the same way, but we deal with the results every single day.

The EU has become inflexible and not fit for purpose. I thought we should remain and try to fix it, but some people chose to throw the baby(if it is one at all) out with the bathwater.

Norway have a great deal. They were taken seriously. Our politicians are like the Mickey mouse brigade, it is embarrassing.

Lweji · 02/08/2019 14:45

but offer no credible response as to why we need to stay in.

This is not the thread for it, but if you want my reasons with, you can search my username and look in the several Brexit threads, before the vote.

Lweji · 02/08/2019 14:46

My leave friends wanted to leave due to the amount of money being spent in this country in complying with much of the frankly absurd EU legislation

There you go... sigh.

Benjispruce · 02/08/2019 14:46

No I don’t. There are varying reasons for voting a certain way. Can’t bear the ‘All leave voters are racist ‘ mantra. So boring.

MrPan · 02/08/2019 14:46

Trouble is though, there is no means of separating us out, is there?

So leavers can pay higher prices, have reduced access to medications in the short term, pay for visas and stay in the non-EU queues at airports, have second priority in the NHS re resorces as leavers voted to get rid of skilled technicians and nurses, benefit from EU regional grants etc. You'd have ot show your burgundy passport for services and goods, or your new blue passport: to show that you fucked yourself.

TheElementsSong · 02/08/2019 14:49

Can’t bear the ‘All leave voters are racist ‘ mantra.

Can I say "QED"? Grin

Benjispruce · 02/08/2019 14:53

What does QED mean?

KennDodd · 02/08/2019 15:02

Wish I'd voted leave now, what a sorry lot to be lumped in with.

Do you prefer the company of Tommy Robinson and Jayda Fransen? Where there any, out and out racists or racist groups on the Remain side? Genuine question. I can't think of any, but there must have been some.

KennDodd · 02/08/2019 15:02

Piers Morgan!

KennDodd · 02/08/2019 15:03

Can't think of any racist groups though?

80sMum · 02/08/2019 15:03

I think we have to rise above all of this. There is more to a person than their views on Brexit, after all. There are plenty of things that people can disagree on, including Brexit, but that doesn't, or shouldn't, mean that we can't accept that different people in different circumstances and from different walks of life have different ways of looking at things.

Having said that, I do inwardly bristle when in a discussion with a leave voter! Basically, I just can't get my head around the reasons why anyone would wish to vote Leave - but I accept that people have their reasons and that they deem them valid.

Quellium · 02/08/2019 15:06

Norway don't have a great deal. They have to wait outside while all the decisions are made.

QueenOfIce · 02/08/2019 15:08

What if, perhaps once we leave (if we ever do) things really aren't as awful. I'm not saying it won't be however hypothetically speaking if we leave and actually the UK finds it's balance will those who have spouted such vitriol at leavers apologise? Admit they were rather abusive or just say nothing and pretend they weren't one of 'those'?