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Do you judge people on how they voted?

347 replies

Rock4please · 01/08/2019 07:55

Just that really. I used to have an open mind on meeting somebody new but, if I discover that they voted leave, I am not interested in furthering the relationship. Similarly, with Americans, I don’t want to associate with anyone who supports Trump.

Am I being unfair and narrow minded or do you judge new people in a similar way?

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Peregrina · 03/08/2019 10:35

And then sing the praises of Donald Trump!

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead · 03/08/2019 11:04

Jesus wept @DoubleShill did you just literally make those figure up out of your head?! UK exports to the US were $121 billion and to the EU £289 billion^.

Now I know you're a shill...

TheElementsSong · 03/08/2019 11:50

Facts Schmacts Grin

twofingerstoEverything · 03/08/2019 12:24

Welcome to Mumsnet, DemocratleaveEU! What an interesting posting style you have.

There was a general unrest in the country.
Really? How did this manifest itself? Riots? Street protests? Not trying to re-write history, are you?

twofingerstoEverything · 03/08/2019 12:43

We need respectful and intelligent engagement to figure a way out of this mess.
Unfortunately, it is difficult to 'engage' respectfully or intelligently with people who can't or won't say why they think Leaving will be good for the country. Listening to fallacious or weak arguments (Germans need to sell their cars to us, the EU is 'undemocratic'/won't let us have bendy bananas etc) or - even worse IMO - empty slogans that they've read online somewhere - is frustrating and stressful, particularly when your life or your job is negatively affected by the leave vote. Because of that, I'd rather steer clear of vocal leavers and not have them as friends.

bellinisurge · 03/08/2019 13:00

Tried respectful. Just get more Beleeeeeeeaaave bollocks in reply.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 03/08/2019 13:03

bellinisurge me too. Tried for 3 years. Won't try any longer, because I just don't want to any more.

Leavers are on the defensive, because they know they caused this shit and are scrabbling around desperately trying to deflect blame for their decisions.

Not my fucking problem.

TiredTigger · 03/08/2019 14:30

I do not judge people who voted to leave in the 2016 referendum, but I certainly do not think too kindly about those that have continued to support Brexit, especially more recently with all the no deal rhetoric.

However, the people I understand least are those that claim that they voted to remain, but now would switch to leave because of the EU's nasty negotiating tactics or for the sake of democracy. WTF?

Quellium · 03/08/2019 19:32

In those cases TiredTigger, I always suspect trolls or an overdose of the Daily Mail or Express.

If you meet one in real life, you don't have to scratch very far below the surface before finding out they are unthinkingly spouting soundbites or they were always a little bit suspicious of the forriners.

KennDodd · 03/08/2019 20:47

With regard all this talk recently about all pulling together and blitz spirit, I read somewhere somebody said yes, imagine the atmosphere in the bomb shelters if half the people in there had voted for the bombing.

Peregrina · 03/08/2019 23:35

imagine the atmosphere in the bomb shelters if half the people in there had voted for the bombing.

Well, many of the upper and upper middle classes admired Nazi Germany and were happy to appease Hitler. Then they weren't the ones to suffer most- they were in big enough houses to have their own shelters or were able to despatch their children to Canada to be out of the way. They didn't have to mix with the plebs in public shelters.

None of us having been there at the time can now fully understand; no one in their right mind wants war, so perhaps appeasement seemed to make sense. Then again, those with eyes to see and ears to hear knew very well what was happening in Germany once Hitler got into power and must have realised that appeasement wouldn't work.

Mintjulia · 04/08/2019 03:18

Totally agree haverhill

hellenbackagen · 04/08/2019 04:12

I've learnt to not say why I believe leave is a good thing.

Because radical remainers shout down any argument intelligent or not.

I have always been left politically.

In my job I deal with a
Labour council and they are actually hateful people. Self serving set of grabbing arses.

And my professional opinion, because i deal with the results of freedom of movement and the criminal element that take full advantage of it is we need to leave .

Most people have the luxury of actually not seeing the down side of freedom of movement and being part of Europe. Lucky lucky you.

I didn't vote in the referendum because I was unfortunately for me having a still birth but please! The
Snobbery around people who want to leave is actually quite sickening. There is an irony in seeing people who are such right on sisters making such small minded judgments on what amounts to half the population that voted leave.

KickingAStick · 04/08/2019 06:31

Hellenbackagain - so sorry to hear about your still birth.
I think the problem is for every well informed and reasoned leaver like yourself there are five loud mouthed, daily mail reading, borderline racists shouting about why we have to leave and giving every leave voter a bad name.

Peregrina · 04/08/2019 07:26

Tory councils can also be bunches of self serving grabbing arses. It seems to happen anywhere where they don't really have to fight an election because they automatically get huge majorities.

Helmetbymidnight · 04/08/2019 07:44

well informed and reasoned leaver?

im sorry but what on earth was well informed about what she said?

our govt could have put the brakes on freedom ofmovement- they didnt.

eu migrants are net contributors to the economy. the services that rely on eu migrants are falling to pieces- ournhs will crumble under a no deal brexit.

leaving the eu will make it much harder to collaborate and track down criminals.

fixing the so-called problem of freedom of movement - which could have been fixed in other ways- while smashing the gfa and trashing the economy, increasing non eu migration, destroying important science and research collaboration seems a strange choice. but i appreciate perhaps your arguement is far more nuanced and intelligent than the one you have written here.

BillyCongo · 04/08/2019 07:44

I judge.....I'm not going to get into a debate if I find some is a leaver but just quietly let them slide out my life. I couldn't maintain a friendship with someone who supports something I am so angry about. I won't have much sympathy for them when the recession really hits next year either.....

leckford · 04/08/2019 07:48

I think it is weird to ask people who they vote for

  1. They may not tell you the truth
  2. It is none of your business
MaxNormal · 04/08/2019 07:56

And my professional opinion, because i deal with the results of freedom of movement and the criminal element that take full advantage of it is we need to leave

But our own government could have controlled this!! In Spain, for instance, you need to register at your local police station and re-register every time you change address. You also need to prove that you're able to support yourself, by having 6000 euros in a bank account or similar. And unless you're paying in, you need comprehensive private medical cover.
There was nothing to stop us implementing this here.

But instead we have this Brexit mess, really, is it worth it?

madcatladyforever · 04/08/2019 07:57

No of course not, it's none of my business how other people voted.
My son and daughter in law voted one leave and one remain.
They manage to get along perfectly alright in the same house despite their differing political views they just don't shove their opinions in each others faces.
I wouldn't dream of ditching a dear friend because they have different opinions to me.

Peregrina · 04/08/2019 08:22

I think it is weird to ask people who they vote for

But some don't get asked - they volunteer the information as noisily as possible, and to hell with what other people think.

batvixen123 · 04/08/2019 08:52

I think it's quite difficult not to have some feelings about people who voted Leave - my family are not all UK citizens and have had some unpleasant experiences since the referendum. I keep being told that not all Leave voters believe in that kind of thing or were motivated by racism on some level but I've now met so many where it becomes apparent that they were that I must admit I'm now cautious. It's just less painful to assume that someone wishes you and yours ill until they prove differently than like and open up to people and then hear them say in conversation "well, those people should go back where they came from" or "I just think we should look after our own first" or something.

I don't really think it's realistic to expect anything else - I find it surreal when people who would absolutely be cautious around strange men because of male violence are totally outraged at people who have been hurt by English nationalism being cautious around English nationalists.

KennDodd · 04/08/2019 09:37

One thing I've noticed is that the narrative from (some) Leave voters has changed. Nobody (well almost nobody) believes Brexit will make the country better off anymore, but the finger is pointed at the middle class, that it will make them worse off and harm their children, so that's good and why they voted Leave. You see it all the time on here, posters saying 'oh, boo hoo, your children won't be able to study abroad and you can't go on holiday serves you right'.

Lweji · 04/08/2019 10:00

Most people have the luxury of actually not seeing the down side of freedom of movement and being part of Europe. Lucky lucky you.

So, you're saying that most people don't suffer from freedom of movement.
Why is it a problem, then?

Freedom of movement within the EU is not dissimilar to freedom of movement within one country.
It puts pressure on big cities, in terms of population, services and crime.
The missing key is the nationalist element, isn't it?

InTheHeatofLisbon · 04/08/2019 10:02

And my professional opinion, because i deal with the results of freedom of movement and the criminal element that take full advantage of it is we need to leave

Reducing intelligence sharing between the UK and EU is spectacularly stupid then, which is what will happen when the UK leaves.

European arrest warrants? Forget them too.

Cooperation between forces to detain criminals from the UK/EU? Aye that's gone too.

And all the fucking British criminals on the Costa del Crime will come back.

But your "professional" opinion obviously matters more.

Which profession?