Do you judge people on how they voted?

[Rock4please]

Just that really. I used to have an open mind on meeting somebody new but, if I discover that they voted leave, I am not interested in furthering the relationship. Similarly, with Americans, I don’t want to associate with anyone who supports Trump.

Am I being unfair and narrow minded or do you judge new people in a similar way?

[dimsum123]

Yes I do. I know 2 people who voted leave. Am still friends with them and we can discuss Brexit without coming to blows. But I do feel now that fundamentally we are very different people, which I didn't before, and that does put a distance mentally in our friendship that wasn't there before.

[whatswithtodaytoday]

JRM is a disaster capitalist. I mean, he just is. That's not up for debate. As it Farage, and plenty of others.

And yes, of course I judge people if I find out they voted Leave. I also judge Tories, and goodness knows there are a lot of them around as they're always fucking in power. Fortunately I live in a lovely left-wing bubble of like-minded people (and Europeans...) but the few people I do know who voted Leave/Tory, I keep at arms reach. Of course I'll be polite, but we'd never be good friends.

[LadyWithLapdog]

I judge and despise leavers. I work with a few and don’t discuss it.

I have a Trump supporting relative. He’s a massive bellend an himself is a Hispanic American living in the UK. He’s every possible trump supporter cliche.

[StitchingMoss]

Cupidfatstunt, wow, do your friends know your opinion of them?

Remoaners? Jesus fucking Christ - we not over this twattish name now?

And freedom from what? You do know we haven’t left yet? Or maybe you don’t. Wouldn’t surprise me if you didn’t understand this small detail.

[InTheHeatofLisbon]

Lisbon did this happen in Scotland in relation to the Independance Referendum?

Aye, I had my windows targeted (thankfully didn't go in) and the bairns were in the garden one of the times it happened.

They also copped it walking around our local area, from grown men in football tops.

Good luck with phoning the police in certain parts of Scotland when it's Orangemen you're making a complaint against! Nothing was done, despite being able to identify the culprits since they lived on our estate. Reckon the cops were from the same lodge tbh.

But also I'd like to know if your children have also been targetted by the 'knuckle-draggers' because of the EU Referendum too?

We've moved but no, they haven't. The difference between the two is that the No Vote won in 2014, they were the majority. Leave voters weren't, at all, a majority in Scotland, least of all my local area.

I wish there had been convictions Hate, but that would require the police to go against a culture which is rife within their own force in parts of Scotland, and will never happen.

[Lweji]

Except that this mess is because of how people voted 3 years ago.
And a new referendum is unlikely.

[Cybergenesis]

You shouldn't judge people on how they voted three years ago, you should judge them on what they want the outcome to be now we know more about it. If there's a chance to another referendum we want the former Leave voters to be welcomed into the Remain side with open arms.

[Suzeyshoes]

I do struggle not to judge. It’s a very personal subject as my husband is an EU national and Brexit has literally fucked our lives over. I have a daily mail reading aunt who voted leave and can’t seem to fathom why I might be pissed off so have just started avoiding her.

[HateIsNotGood]

My kids have been spat on by no voting football hooligans, called all sorts of names, my house has been targeted. Repeatedly. By knuckle draggers in red white and blue.

This is very shocking and unacceptable behaviour and I thought it was considered criminal in the UK.

Lisbon did this happen in Scotland in relation to the Independance Referendum? Not that that makes any difference in any way, just curious. But also I'd like to know if your children have also been targetted by the 'knuckle-draggers' because of the EU Referendum too?

I hope you've reported these acts against you to the relevant authorities and have the strength to carry through your reports to ensure that convictions are made.

[bellinisurge]

"We have freedom now, like leaving home, getting our first car, a new career..... Like getting a divorce from an abusive husband. "

Ignorant comparison. Vile.

[Songsofexperience]

To answer OP's question: I don't judge people on how they voted in 2016. There were many possible ways to leave. I engaged and debated with many people. 3 years later I'm sick and tired of the demeaning and contemptuous way REMAINERS have been consistently portrayed by leavers and especially leave supporting politicians and media platforms.
I am also now judging those who support no deal as an option. I have no time for them. Something so wilfully destructive should not even be considered.

[Songsofexperience]

We have freedom now..... Like getting a divorce from an abusive husband.

Idiotic comparison.
The great discounted sale of UK assets to foreign corporations, job losses and worker rights done away with: that smells of freedom perhaps?
Plus you're insulting the intelligence of domestic abuse survivors. Fuck off.

[MeganBacon]

I wouldn't say I "judge" but I am pleased when anyone, either Remain or Leave, gives a well substantiated argument as to why they voted as they did.

[Oranginna]

I don't judge remainers. I don't even judge remoaners although I do tend to wander off if they start with the clichéd stuff about JRM being a disaster capitalist etc.
But if I find out that someone voted Leave, they do go up in my estimation.

[Lweji]

but most are now embracing Brexit and are ashamed for ever voting remain.

I find that hard to believe...
By most do you mean one vague acquaintance who doesn't complain about Brexit to you to shut you up?

Are you Agent 86 from Get Smart?

[Mistigri]

Freedom, lets celebrate it.

I recommend that you practice celebrating Brexit on terms similar to May's withdrawal agreement, in a year or so's time.

[frumpety]

Ah you crack on with your celebrations cupid , possibly a trifle premature given that we haven't actually left yet and there's still no absolute guarantee that we will

[cupidfatstunt]

Most of my remoaner friends have come around to accepting Brexit.

There are a few remaining bed-wetters that can't let go of mummy's skirt tails, but most are now embracing Brexit and are ashamed for ever voting remain.

We have freedom now, like leaving home, getting our first car, a new career..... Like getting a divorce from an abusive husband.

Freedom, lets celebrate it.

[frumpety]

I have friends and family members who voted leave. I guess I am a hardcore Remainer in that the only solution to this whole sorry mess that would make me happy is revoking. We don't really discuss Brexit as a general rule, but if they say things that are not factually true, I do pull them up on it. Opinions, I am more meh about, more 'ah well you know I am never going to agree with you about that' sort of thing

[malificent7]

Im a remainer lefty...i have tory leaver friends...we dont talk politics but i love them for other reasons.

[RosaWaiting]

I'd like to say no

but I had an interesting experience when my dad was dying....a neighbour who was vocal about thinking Trump is great, offered to help me out with, well, everything. I originally didn't take her up on it because I thought she must be a weirdo. As time and the horrors of cancer went on, I did take up her offers of help. And on long drives, and in waiting rooms - situations where even closer people might balk at helping - we ended up talking about lots of stuff.

I understood her a bit better. There was some denial - e.g she thinks it's locker room talk and so on - but it's been interesting for both of us. Then after dad died, she continued to be my friend and I guess....it was a learning experience. I thought a Trump supporter would be a red line for me, but it's more that she perceives him in a totally different way.

we are British, btw, I accept that if I were living in America I might still not mix with the Trump supporting neighbour.

I do think he will get even worse and that she might revise her opinion though.

[InTheHeatofLisbon]

We were given panic alarms by the police and had to get cctv installed because of the threats and behaviours of our yes voting neighbours.

They should have been arrested and charged.

But are you seriously, seriously tarring the entire Indy movement because of the behaviour of scumbags?

Because that's pretty bigoted in the opposite direction isn't it?

My kids have been spat on by no voting football hooligans, called all sorts of names, my house has been targeted. Repeatedly. By knuckle draggers in red white and blue.

Do I tar all No voters?

No I don't.

Telling one sided stories without context and then labelling a whole group is as damaging as the bigotry that got us there.

If you have ongoing issues with these people, call the police or sue them for defamation.

Please don't use them as examples of nationalists in general, and please do highlight to senior SNP MSPs what they're doing.

So it's perfectly ok to label pro Indy Scots as rabid, violent and aggressive but it's not ok to suggest Leave voters caused a shitstorm.

Ah MN at its finest.

[InTheHeatofLisbon]

And my professional opinion, because i deal with the results of freedom of movement and the criminal element that take full advantage of it is we need to leave

Reducing intelligence sharing between the UK and EU is spectacularly stupid then, which is what will happen when the UK leaves.

European arrest warrants? Forget them too.

Cooperation between forces to detain criminals from the UK/EU? Aye that's gone too.

And all the fucking British criminals on the Costa del Crime will come back.

But your "professional" opinion obviously matters more.

Which profession?

[Lweji]

Most people have the luxury of actually not seeing the down side of freedom of movement and being part of Europe. Lucky lucky you.

So, you're saying that most people don't suffer from freedom of movement.
Why is it a problem, then?

Freedom of movement within the EU is not dissimilar to freedom of movement within one country.
It puts pressure on big cities, in terms of population, services and crime.
The missing key is the nationalist element, isn't it?

[KennDodd]

One thing I've noticed is that the narrative from (some) Leave voters has changed. Nobody (well almost nobody) believes Brexit will make the country better off anymore, but the finger is pointed at the middle class, that it will make them worse off and harm their children, so that's good and why they voted Leave. You see it all the time on here, posters saying 'oh, boo hoo, your children won't be able to study abroad and you can't go on holiday serves you right'.