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Brexit

Do you judge people on how they voted?

347 replies

Rock4please · 01/08/2019 07:55

Just that really. I used to have an open mind on meeting somebody new but, if I discover that they voted leave, I am not interested in furthering the relationship. Similarly, with Americans, I don’t want to associate with anyone who supports Trump.

Am I being unfair and narrow minded or do you judge new people in a similar way?

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JenniR29 · 01/08/2019 15:04

Got to laugh at ‘I’m disgusted at the self righteousness of these posts.....now here’s my self righteous opinion!’

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Militantmartha · 01/08/2019 15:05

@MiddleForDiddle just out of interest (really not wanting this to come across as argumentative as genuinely interested) why are you not bothered either way?

What are your thoughts on the consequences for the union, the Good Friday Agreement, the rights of EU nationals living in the UK or vice verse, the impact on the economy and people's jobs?

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chickenyhead · 01/08/2019 15:06

An opinion that I am entitled to hold, I am no excluding whole groups of people from my life for narrow minded arrogant reasons.

If this thread represents the views of our country, I say burn it down and start again

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MrPan · 01/08/2019 15:09

I didn't say I don't want Turkey to join the EU. I said/implied it was Farage and your other racist friends who were scaring the electorate with rubbish. I don't know enough about how Turkey does or doesn't measure up to the requirements. But producing Nazi style posters as your friends did reveals who you associate yourself with.
You're a bit tiresome, and I'm busy this afternoon. Bye.

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JenniR29 · 01/08/2019 15:09

I’ve excluded people who I think support the rise of the far right, I don’t see how that makes me narrow minded.

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Lweji · 01/08/2019 15:09

Personally, I'm concerned if Turkey joins in because of their current President and regime.

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LittleAndOften · 01/08/2019 15:11

Yes, it really affects how I view people - but I don't actually have any friends who voted leave!

I recently discovered my neighbour is a Tory county Councillor for a district about half an hour away. He also backed Boris. That's a relationship I really don't want to foster.

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MiddleForDiddle · 01/08/2019 15:14

Being honest, I didn't think about those things before the vote. I voted remain because it seemed sensible to go for the status quo.
Now - I would just like a decision to be made, stuck to, and implemented. That's what I meant when I said I'm not bothered either way. The uncertainty is creating problems of its own.

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InTheHeatofLisbon · 01/08/2019 15:15

I have a strictly non political friendship with DS1s best pal's Mum, because her views are abhorrent (think Tommy Robinson on steroids), but her sons are lovely and DS1 doesn't have any other friends (he and the boys are autistic and have other dx) so I can button it as long as politics are left out of it.

Friends who I choose to be friends with don't tend to have far right views thankfully. But no, I wouldn't deliberately become friends with someone with vocal leave/far right views.

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Clavinova · 01/08/2019 15:17

MrPan
I don't know enough about how Turkey does or doesn't measure up to the requirements.

They can't join until they meet the requirements of course.

But producing Nazi style posters as your friends did reveals who you associate yourself with.

My 'friends'? Ergo - all Labour Party voters are anti-Semites?

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Mamamia456 · 01/08/2019 16:06

I can honestly say in the last three years not one person I know has asked me if I voted leave or remain. It's just something that family and friends don't really talk about. It doesn't bother me how people vote, it would only bother me if people had very strong opinions and didn't shut up, so yes I think you are being narrow minded.

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Rock4please · 01/08/2019 16:28

@Mamamia Does it really not bother you how people vote? How can you be indifferent to something of such fundamental importance?

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Oranginna · 01/08/2019 17:25

I'm sure all you judgers are good people, but I think your judginess is wrong. People had every right to choose to leave the EU and there are many good reasons for wanting to so so. Here are three people who were on the Leave side:
Frank Field (ex labour)
John Timpson (business man and philanthropist)
Jenny Jones (green)
If they were your grandparents would you really cut them out of your lives?

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InTheHeatofLisbon · 01/08/2019 17:31

I'm sure all you judgers are good people, but I think your judginess is wrong

I give not one fuck.

People had every right to choose to leave the EU

Agreed. I have every right not to want to engage with them.

there are many good reasons for wanting to so

Bullshit. Why aren't they being shouted from the rooftops then? Because I haven't heard a single, rational reason in 3 years of asking.

If they were your grandparents would you really cut them out of your lives?

No, but I wouldn't have a discussion about Brexit with them for fear of a fallout. I wouldn't allow them to spout far right British patriotic shite in front of my kids either.

But then my late grandparents were before their time, and wouldn't have had an ounce of patience for Brexit.

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Spinnaret · 01/08/2019 17:31

I do judge, yes. My father votes leave because he is openly racist and a UKIP member, who wants all the 'darkies' to go home. We don't speak any more, better for my mental health.

And then there are the friends who voted leave, but have retained passports from other EU countries, so they can move elsewhere if they wish. I find that hypocrisy utterly stunning, to vote to remove rights from others that they will keep from themselves. And it has destroyed those friendships, as it says they are fundamentally very different people to me. I don't want the sort of superficial friendship where we only discuss the weather, our kids etc

On the other hand, my neighbours voted leave, and massively regret it, because they feel they were lied to and misled. I don't judge them.

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bellinisurge · 01/08/2019 17:51

In my head I've already divided the Leavers I know into "People that are useful to me" and "People who can go fuck themselves". I live in a Leave area.

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/08/2019 17:55

Yes, I judge because the reasons the people I know gave were ignorant. Two of them retire soon with mortgages paid off. They've flushed their own DC's and GDC future down the toilet.

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stubbyboardman · 01/08/2019 17:58

Of course I do. I deploy my intelligence, judgement and life experience when I meet new people. Voting to leave the EU in 2016, on the "evidence" that was then available, tells me a great deal about a person.

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Helmetbymidnight · 01/08/2019 18:04

there are no reasons for brexit that outweigh the benefits of staying. three years ago, maybe that wasnt clear- it is now, and ive no respect for people who havent educated themselves.

on some of the so-called good reasons on this thread- re immigration- our govt could have controlled it more- they didn't- their choice- and if you think we're going to get control of anything under wto- well youre massively mistaken- and on doing business with 'undesirable' countries in europe- you aint seen nothing yet- we're going cap in hand to despotic regimes the world over. you want to make us poorer, you want to jeopardise the GFA, you want to side with extreme racist/right-wingers and for what? for 'maybe' benefits in 50 yrs?

unbelievable.

jenny jones also seems to have done a bit of an about turn- she calls for a 2nd ref now.

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MaxNormal · 01/08/2019 18:04

Quite a few posters have mentioned racism on this thread - but they don't want Turkey to join the EU.

And you think that is due to racism? Turkey isn't currently eligible to join the EU as they don't meet the democratic standards required.
Should they, I would have no problem with them joining (although I imagine that a majority Muslim country joining will go down like a cup of cold sick with right-wingers), but that's not going to be happening while Erdogan holds power. And he doesn't look like he's going anywhere.
I personally never saw any Remainer say anything about Turkey anyway, the only people mentioning it during the Brexit campaign were using it as a scare tactic to shit up the racists.

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InTheHeatofLisbon · 01/08/2019 18:06

If Turkey were to improve their human rights record and engage with democracy within their own elections, I'd have no issue with them joining the EU.

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MaxNormal · 01/08/2019 18:07

In my head I've already divided the Leavers I know into "People that are useful to me" and "People who can go fuck themselves". I live in a Leave area.

Most of the people I know are Remain voters - urban Scotland. I do have some very good friends in England who voted Leave. They are also absolutely lovely and went above and beyond for me during a really difficult time.
That said, they are moderate Leavers. They were perfectly happy with the WA and they don't spout Brexit Bingo cliches.
I still really wish they hadn't though

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LatteLove · 01/08/2019 18:08

The reason I would prefer Turkey not to join the EU for the time being is to do with the border with Syria and the possible security risk there. Nothing to do with “racism”. If the situation in Syria was stable I wouldn’t be bothered.

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Helmetbymidnight · 01/08/2019 18:10

the whole turkey is joining thing was a leave campaign lie.

they've even admitted they were 'mistaken'

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ImNotYourGranny · 01/08/2019 18:28

People had every right to choose to leave the EU

I agree. But with rights come responsibilities and they do not have the right to absolve themselves of those responsibilities. If you vote for it, fine, crack on. But when the wheels fall off and other peoples' lives are destroyed, that's on your shoulders. Or to put it another way, OWN YOUR SHIT!