Those who said a few months back that a no-deal brexit would not happen no matter what

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and we were being ridiculous to worry about it, are you still as confident?

IntheHeat,

I prefer to stick to arguments, not going to engage in the childish ad hominem which seems to break out every time anyone has a different perspective.

So Scotland is magically going to fly the UK, be welcomed with open arms by Europe, paid more subsidy than they currently get from the UK, and join the Euro avoiding the normal mechanism. This isn't unicorns, it is martians coming down to earth singing a chorus of Scotland the Brave.....

The latest independence poll is 48/46 against independence, at possibly the worst moment possible.

Every time the Scots have a poll and economic reality hits, they vote with their wallets.

I doubt any of you would actually put money on Scotland leaving the union, it is just a nice sound bite.

But Scotland and NI never voted for this and I don't see why we should be shackled to a sinking ship, which is sinking because of votes in England and Wales

Or Gibraltar - or indeed the Channel Islands or Isle of Man who didn't get a vote at all. While the latter are not in the EU, they do benefit from special arrangements. Interestingly the "border in the sea" doesn't seem to have a detrimental effect on our relationships with the CI and IOM at all, so I'm unclear as to why it would be so terrible for NI to have a semi-detached status of its own.

To the person who asked about the "hungry gap", it's around March, when the winter supplies are running out, but the spring products haven't appeared yet so you are more reliant on imported food. So March would have been a very silly time to leave the EU.

paid more subsidy than they currently get from the UK, and join the Euro avoiding the normal mechanism

Nobody has said that apart from you.

You don't stick to arguments, you babble rhetoric and xenophobic bullshit I'm accustomed to hearing from a certain type of person.

Scotland isn't going to fly to utopia, but then, we knew utopia wasn't real when we voted to remain.

Your "arguments" (if you can call them that) conveniently ignore the economic precipice that the UK is on. The £ is at an over 2 year low, and the person you need to rely on for trade agreements is quite possibly the most offensive, ignorant, xenophobic man ever to hold power.

You talk like England and Wales are fine, when they very much aren't, sadly.

So instead of blathering rubbish about things you have absolutely no understanding of, how about finding out the reality of what is to come for you, instead of clinging to petty little jibes which just make you look foolish?

@larrygrylls , if you aren't in Scotland it is frankly none of your damn business whether Scotland votes to leave the UK. It may do, it may not. The point is it was promised the right to another vote if circumstances changed. And they are about to change.

Gibraltar - or indeed the Channel Islands or Isle of Man who didn't get a vote at all.

Fair point.

I'm unclear as to why it would be so terrible for NI to have a semi-detached status of its own

Because NI/Ireland is a very complex, very unique case. If only that had been thought of before.

Bellini,

That is a bizarre comment. What difference is it if it is ‘my business’ or not? I can still give my opinion.

Firstly, the union serves the UK well (IMO) so everyone can take an interest. However, I don’t get a vote on it and nor would I want one.

Funnily enough you don’t seem to take the same dim opinion of a Europeans who are anti Brexit. None of their business and should not comment?!

IntheHeat,

So how would Scotland join the Euro if you claim I am putting words into your mouth? By what mechanism?

I can still give my opinion

It's irrelevant.

The Union serves the UK well

The Union serves England well. Not the rest of the UK, who are now more than a little fed up of being told to sit down and shut up.

Your nasty little xenophobic attitudes are clear in every post.

I sincerely hope that one day the realisation of what that arrogant dismissal of 2 nations within the UK comes back to bite you hard.

On that day, remember this thread.

By what mechanism?

By the same mechanism as any other new member state.

Again, not your concern, you won't be affected.

@larrygrylls , you can give your opinion but if you don't live in Scotland you can't vote. As such, it would be none of your business. Don't you understand that?

InTheHeat,

Sorry, incorrect answer.

The pound will not be joining the ERM, so that option is not available. Scotland would have to issue its own currency, let it trade for a while, and then join the ERM....a completely different mechanism to any other country.

Bellini,

Your posts are becoming increasingly unhinged. Do you only comment on things that are ‘your business’, only Scottish matters (or those that affect Scotland£.

What kind of weird censorship are you advocating?

larry you voted leave, have no understanding of basic geography or recent political history, and are conveniently ignoring your own less than secure position.

Forgive me for not giving anything you have to say the slightest bit of credence. I'm more inclined to believe the EU leaders than I am a colonialist bigot.

@larrygrylls I love how people who disagree with you are unhinged. You are funny.
In tbe same way as I might have an opinion on the US elections but am not eligible to vote it is none of my business.
You can continue to hold your lovely opinions about the Scottish economy etc. But if you don't live there you can't vote in any new independence referendum.

Your posts are becoming increasingly unhinged.

bellini's posts, across the brexit threads, are measured, based in fact, and indeed show that they know what they're talking about.

You however sound like an angry little person, furious that the Scots and Irish aren't falling in line and doing as they're told by their masters.

I find that really quite funny.

To be fair @InTheHeatofLisbon , I am very sweary. But thank you.

In the heat,

I did not vote leave and have said many times that I was (and am) a reluctant remainer (please see my comments on this and other threads for confirmation), half my family live in continental Europe, and I visit often and am a semi decent linguist.

As a second generation immigrant, I am hardly a major colonialist! Aside from that, you have summed me up brilliantly, 5 stars!!

However, I am not going to ignore facts and join the ‘woe is me’ chorus about leaving a trading block. My late parents came to the UK for good reasons. Most of those still stand today.

Bellini,

But if you commented about the US elections, I would respond to your comments, not tell you rudely that it was ‘none of your business’,

Still weird.

Me too @larrygrylls in terms of heritage. My issue is with No Deal. I can accept WA but not No Deal. No Deal merchants can fuck off.

doesn't seem to have a detrimental effect on our relationships with the CI and IOM at all, so I'm unclear as to why it would be so terrible for NI to have a semi-detached status of its own

Possibly because the CI have entirely separate governments rather than a devolved one and are not part of the union.

larry I’m not doing Britain down at all. But I’m not talking about tariffs and swapping EU trade with trade from outside the EU. Just changing from functioning as an EU country to a 3rd country requires a huge amount of time and good planning. No deal doesn’t give us that.

We’re ‘at the mercy’ of the EU because in order to mitigate the biggest issues they will have they put into place some limited temporary measures. They’re for the benefit of the EU27 but they’ll have a positive knock on effect in the UK. Crucially though it’s a decision made by the EU without UK involvement and whether they’re rolled over or ended will be entirely at their discretion. It’s in no way some sort of transition ‘no deal’ that will mean leaving without a deal won’t be a total clusterfuck for the UK.

bellinisurge I am very sweary too

larry aye if ye say so. It's been fun and all, but I'm bored now.

Like I've said, think about your own situation before you start attacking my country and our situation. Which, incidentally, is a lot better than yours.

Little less stone throwing, little more planning for you I think.b

Rafals,

But you could (equally) say that the EU is at our mercy and we will need to put measures in place to allow their exports to flow into the UK.

I know that clearly we are a smaller % of EU trade than they are if UK trade, but we are not an irrelevant blip and, arguably, with our own currency and central bank, we can respond more quickly to a crisis.

I want a deal and, frankly, I would also be happy with revoke. However we need a plan B for no deal and Boris is (finally) allocating the resources to do this.

InTheHeat,

You need to read actual words and not assume prejudice and interpret words to suit them!

At no point have I ‘attacked’ Scotland, merely said that they won’t leave the union (and they won’t). I have also pointed out what they would need to overcome to do so.

Because NI/Ireland is a very complex, very unique case

Oddly enough I do know that. it's precisely because it is complex and unique that it should have a special status.

Possibly because the CI have entirely separate governments rather than a devolved one and are not part of the union

Not part of the UK but not very different from what a Scottish devo max could have looked like if it had been on offer - ie complete control of domestic matters and UK government manages defence and foreign policy. Although occasionally the UK government pokes its nose in where it's not wanted in relation to tax matters, I hear.

Larry why do you assume Scots will behave in a risk averse manner when England has not? Has the possibility that these votes may not get decided in a rational non emotional fashion genuinely not occurred to you? I find that quite incredible