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Westminstenders: On An Election Footing

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RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 16:22

Boris Johnson has set out his strategy.

He is challenging remain Tories to put their money where their mouth is, or to shut up.

His majority, soon to be just 1, is fragile but he intends to tough it out.

His Cabinet, is to all intents and purposes an ERG take over of the Tory Party, not unlike the Momentum take over of the Labour Party. And Johnson is looking to purge the party of its liberal wing, whilst pretending that he is liberal to make it acceptable to long term loyal Tories who might still waiver and merely vote for the rosette or like the veneer of respectability.

It has been made clear to Tory MPs that they will have to sign up to a No Deal Strategy should a snap election be called - or face the prospect of deselection. Disloyality will not be tolerated as Hunt's Cabinet backers all found out when they were sacked rather than be allowed to resign as Grayling was.

Instead Johnson reaped his revenge bringing back quitters and disgraced MPs as a deliberate 'fuck you' to moderates and remainers.

His message is clear and made all the clearer by the appointment of Dominic Cummings.

Today the Treasurery opened the piggie bank and told all departments to prepare for no deal. That is what is going to happen.

Parliament can not stop no deal. Johnson will drive it through regardless, even if its technically illegal. The default of no deal makes it an impossible juggernaught to stop without triggering a GE before the 31st October.

Technically speaking there are just 3 parliamentary days left this can be done.

And a GE is no guarentee of stopping no deal anyway. Cummings coming on board spells it out. Its a campaign strategy to reinvigourate the Leave Campaign and make all the promises that were made before. Of course there is no way of implimenting any of these before 31st October, so they just sound nice and people will believe them because they want to believe them. They want to trust and have hope for the future.

Yet with no trade deals and third party status, and crippling gridlock at ports and extra red tape for exporters and importers to deal with, it is inevitable that the economy will take a big hit. And Johnson's promises are expensive. His £39 billion he wants to withhold, is peanuts in the scheme of things and given what he is proposing.

The plan might sound nice, but it doesn't actually add up.

If we want a deal we will STILL have to sign up to conditions that Brussels sets out EVEN IF we no deal.

Meanwhile the US is ready and waiting to fleece us, because we aren't prepared to admit this and are too proud to see that this is a better option than have corporate American feast on the bones of the British economy.

Human Rights and Workers Rights are very much in the cross hairs with this. Health and Safety standards that have been set by London and then imposed on the EU will be burnt.

All the while the EU will be blamed for our own folly.

The worst thing is, people will actually buy it too.

Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse in this country, not because we lack optimism and hope, but because our egos are too big and we have been too idealist rather than recognising very real obstacles and finding ways to overcome than rather than just trying to ignore them. We will find out all those Paragraph Cs in good time the hard way because of the lack of attention to detail.

PFI and outsourcing will look like minor hiccups when the shit hits the fan.

I do hope that the puritians of the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats and the Remain Referendum Campaign are happy. This is also their mess. They have spent 3 years naval gazing and still don't understand nor know how to respond. This is where a General Election becomes a very real danger because they are clueless as to how to combat a reunited Leave campaign.

Be careful what you wish for going forward.

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placemats · 25/07/2019 18:41

www.the-tls.co.uk/seeing-boris-johnson/

Socksontheradiator · 25/07/2019 18:43

@placemats I am in no way as clued up as other posters, but the way I understand it is that unless we revoke or ask for (and are granted) an extension, 31st October is indeed a very important date as that is when, by default, we leave with no deal.

flouncyfanny · 25/07/2019 18:47

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placemats · 25/07/2019 18:50

31st October is an extension that can yet again be extended. Don't you remember March @Socksontheradiator ?

Socksontheradiator · 25/07/2019 18:51

Yes. Read my post.* Unless they ask for an extension

bellinisurge · 25/07/2019 18:53

So me being a prepper is patriotic now, is it? I thought I was an evil non-beLeaver and Project Fear merchant.

yolofish · 25/07/2019 18:56

PMK in the middle of a thunderstorm, which seems very apt.

flouncyfanny · 25/07/2019 18:57

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tobee · 25/07/2019 18:57

Sky news app breaking news notification just popped up to say more Hunt backers losing their jobs. It does seem to be crazily like trying to make the backbenchers likely to go rogue. Is this Cummings strategy? Or is this Johnson's going for self annihilation because he knows it's all going to go to fuck anyway he tries it? Or are the media just stirring it up for the headlines? Confused

tobee · 25/07/2019 19:00

(Wish we could have a proper thunderstorm yolo. It keeps revving up for one, two crashes, a bit of rain, and back to the soupy atmosphere ⛈

flouncyfanny · 25/07/2019 19:01

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TokyoSushi · 25/07/2019 19:13

Hot and tired PMK, let's hope sanity returns to this thread.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2019 19:18

akk BJ is a bumbling idiot, unqualified to be PM,
just like anyone else who never bothers to study complex subjects like Brexit, A50, EU & WTO trade rules

e.g. his claims about GATT Article 24,
Hammond having to correct his belief that we would retain the WA transition period after No Deal,
and I linked earlier to Cameron being staggered that BJ thought after Brexit we would remain part of EUCO, the heads of governments of the EU
......

bellinisurge · 25/07/2019 19:19

You're welcome @flouncyfanny Smile

Socksontheradiator · 25/07/2019 19:20

Storming in my neck of the woods too. Dog is not thrilled but I am!

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2019 19:21

The ECJ has NOT stated specific requirements to Revoke, other than than that it must follow our legal constitutional requirements

It most certainly does NOT legally require a 2nd referendum

  • referenda are not part of our constitution

The ECJ is normally very careful not to look like it is interfering with how member countries are governed

Under our constitution, the only person who can revoke is the PM

This does not require the permission of Parliament and certainly does not require a referendum

That it might be politically wise for a PM to have cover from an HoC or PV is a totally different matter
However, the ECJ did not get involved in that issue

NoWordForFluffy · 25/07/2019 19:21

We had some thunder in Merseyside earlier, but it actually left it MORE oppressive than before. It's meant to thunder again this evening / tonight, so I'm hoping it does the job properly this time.

TheABC · 25/07/2019 19:24

Johnson has actually pushed me to sign up to a political party for the first time in my life. #BlameBoris!

LonelyTiredandLow · 25/07/2019 19:26

Have made apple crumble with dd, played with the sprinkler until the rain took over and had some Wine Smile

Was taken by this from the other thread: And one MP whose question was about NRP not paying maintenance and Johnson's response was a quick-fire (paraphrased) "We're working with govt's around the world" as he obv assumed non-resident parent meant not in the UK.

Am always glad when single mothers get positive air time in HoC and am enjoying the fact that BoJo can't be seen to completely ignore these (hopefully frequent now he is there) 'digs' which might actually end up helping out a large sub-section of our public and future generations. Last time I checked only 1/3 of single mothers get any maintenance at all! Yet nothing is ever done (despite the promise CSM can withold passports and 'reclaim' cars etc - not even a solitary instance of these powers ever being used) to redress the amount of men going around literally willy-nilly creating a social chaos. If there is one thing HoC can change with this guy at the helm, this might be the thing that could make huge changes and kick him in his clearly working nuts at the same time Grin

Motheroffourdragons · 25/07/2019 19:28

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Alsohuman · 25/07/2019 19:29

Thunder, rain and sunshine all at once here. The weather seems to have come out in sympathy with the politics.

Icantreachthepretzels · 25/07/2019 19:30

The 'bumbling' part of Boris Johnson's 'bumbling idiot' is pure image - a persona adapted to make him look harmless.

But behind that 'bumbling idiot' is a ruthless, conniving, self-serving, dangerous idiot. The idiot part is not image. That part is real. The pisspoor job he has made out of every position he has ever held, his inability to understand the ramifications of what leaving the EU would mean - as cited above, and the constant gaffes he makes all work to prove that is as stupid as he is incompetent.

Anyone who still believes that behind the facade Boris is actually a very intelligent man is as fucking thick as he is.
He's had a fancy education and as such can spout a few fancy sounding Latin phrases which is enough to impress the hard of thinking. But the fact is he couldn't reason his way out of a paper bag.
Unfortunately there are enough idiots to be taken in that the 'idiot' is image. And he isn't self aware enough to realise that he is actually an idiot. That is one of the things that make him so dangerous. Sadly, it is not the only thing that makes him dangerous.

tobee · 25/07/2019 19:32

Is there are rainbow Also? Or are they all too busy coming out of Johnson's arse along with all the unicorns? 🌈 🦄

LonelyTiredandLow · 25/07/2019 19:32

I'd also like to point out that if, by some miracle LD's win the GE, possibly even with Labour support, their manifesto has been very very clear for 3 years that they would Revoke. You can't challenge democracy remember. IMO they are unlikely to renege on that for Labour as they have been bitten by that promise with the Uni fee fiasco.

Bring on the GE!

Alsohuman · 25/07/2019 19:41

No idea why the snarky remark @tobee, unless you’ve mistaken me for a Tory sympathiser - which couldn’t be further from the truth.