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Westminstenders: On An Election Footing

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RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 16:22

Boris Johnson has set out his strategy.

He is challenging remain Tories to put their money where their mouth is, or to shut up.

His majority, soon to be just 1, is fragile but he intends to tough it out.

His Cabinet, is to all intents and purposes an ERG take over of the Tory Party, not unlike the Momentum take over of the Labour Party. And Johnson is looking to purge the party of its liberal wing, whilst pretending that he is liberal to make it acceptable to long term loyal Tories who might still waiver and merely vote for the rosette or like the veneer of respectability.

It has been made clear to Tory MPs that they will have to sign up to a No Deal Strategy should a snap election be called - or face the prospect of deselection. Disloyality will not be tolerated as Hunt's Cabinet backers all found out when they were sacked rather than be allowed to resign as Grayling was.

Instead Johnson reaped his revenge bringing back quitters and disgraced MPs as a deliberate 'fuck you' to moderates and remainers.

His message is clear and made all the clearer by the appointment of Dominic Cummings.

Today the Treasurery opened the piggie bank and told all departments to prepare for no deal. That is what is going to happen.

Parliament can not stop no deal. Johnson will drive it through regardless, even if its technically illegal. The default of no deal makes it an impossible juggernaught to stop without triggering a GE before the 31st October.

Technically speaking there are just 3 parliamentary days left this can be done.

And a GE is no guarentee of stopping no deal anyway. Cummings coming on board spells it out. Its a campaign strategy to reinvigourate the Leave Campaign and make all the promises that were made before. Of course there is no way of implimenting any of these before 31st October, so they just sound nice and people will believe them because they want to believe them. They want to trust and have hope for the future.

Yet with no trade deals and third party status, and crippling gridlock at ports and extra red tape for exporters and importers to deal with, it is inevitable that the economy will take a big hit. And Johnson's promises are expensive. His £39 billion he wants to withhold, is peanuts in the scheme of things and given what he is proposing.

The plan might sound nice, but it doesn't actually add up.

If we want a deal we will STILL have to sign up to conditions that Brussels sets out EVEN IF we no deal.

Meanwhile the US is ready and waiting to fleece us, because we aren't prepared to admit this and are too proud to see that this is a better option than have corporate American feast on the bones of the British economy.

Human Rights and Workers Rights are very much in the cross hairs with this. Health and Safety standards that have been set by London and then imposed on the EU will be burnt.

All the while the EU will be blamed for our own folly.

The worst thing is, people will actually buy it too.

Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse in this country, not because we lack optimism and hope, but because our egos are too big and we have been too idealist rather than recognising very real obstacles and finding ways to overcome than rather than just trying to ignore them. We will find out all those Paragraph Cs in good time the hard way because of the lack of attention to detail.

PFI and outsourcing will look like minor hiccups when the shit hits the fan.

I do hope that the puritians of the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats and the Remain Referendum Campaign are happy. This is also their mess. They have spent 3 years naval gazing and still don't understand nor know how to respond. This is where a General Election becomes a very real danger because they are clueless as to how to combat a reunited Leave campaign.

Be careful what you wish for going forward.

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howabout · 28/07/2019 18:09

Yep Bigchoc it is a Scottish thing. It may even be an urban central belt thing. Hence the need for Struth and co to hedge their bets.

BigChocFrenzy · 28/07/2019 18:12

I thought it was just Ruth and a few chums !

NoWordForFluffy · 28/07/2019 18:18

You definitely need to stockpile if this shambles of a government is advising against it!

BigChocFrenzy · 28/07/2019 18:18

If BJ genuinely wanted - as he claimed - to bring the country as a whole together, especially Scotland and NI,
he'd switch track to a Brexit based on having a 3rd EEA pillar and SM

Not too late, even now, to ask for an extension to agree PD changes for this future relationship

However, the Tory party isn't remotely interested in compromise, just grinding everyone else down, with a minority govt

BigChocFrenzy · 28/07/2019 18:18

The more they warn against stockpiling ....

MockerstheFeManist · 28/07/2019 18:25

Don't forget Queenie. She made her views plain on the Scottish Indyref about how she was Queen of the United Kingdom and does not want to see it break up on her shift.

An humble address from her loyal MPs and bingo, Royal Proclamation, One Revokes.

Justaboutdone · 28/07/2019 18:33

I think even Scottish Tories would be scared of Tories unleashed. EU in many ways has limited their extremes for the good of us all. The feeling towards the EU on the whole is different in Scotland I think. Possibly because we are used to being ‘ruled’. In Scots case though we had many many years when we generally had no say. Completely different to the UK in EU where we were actually a strong voice.

StripeyChina · 28/07/2019 18:45

Aaargh. PMK'ing, just before the thread ends ;)

Was speaking to good Scottish friends yesterday.
They've just returned from hols in Italy.
Said how embarrassed they felt.

LonelyTiredandLow · 28/07/2019 19:56

Just catching up and watched Mistigri 's clip. Very clear on the lack of clarity for want of a better phrase. Completely agree that the best thing to do is not blink first (our own Parliament and EU) but also think that the clash of the ego's in such pressured positions will be a roller-coaster in the next 90 days...I'd not rule out Cummings making a press statement (not being a Tory after all) saying how this is the establishment ridding the Tories of the ERG, Boris then crashing out to prove a point, etc. I think the election won't be held until after Brexit due to ego clashes and in party politics as well as Boris just being Boris and thinking he will make EU blink. If they do it within the first week or two of No Deal (as I have mused before - and might even be Cumming's plan) they might win, doubtful here, but more likely the Tories are in a coalition with Brexit Party and have to deal with the upshot. Cummings thereby destroys both Tories and Brexit party while the country suffers but that doesn't seem to phase him and we have a new order to politics.

I watched the new Netflix The Great Hack last night and the Commission has literally said that UK is not fit for a democratic election in the face of the psyops that Nix et al have embarked upon. If it wasn't them it would have been someone else; but that door has been opened now. We can't go backwards and we still don't know who has the data used in the last hack. Any future referendum therefore, as well as a GE, will be unlikely to be democratic.

jasjas1973 · 28/07/2019 21:24

Well, the HoC might thwart no-deal and BJ may not get the 2/3rds required for a GE....

BigChocFrenzy · 28/07/2019 21:59

"the HoC might thwart no-deal"

We still don't know any specific way for the Opposition to do this, other than via winning a VoNC
and then replacing BJ within 14 days

derxa · 28/07/2019 22:29

I'm sorry the Dominic Cummings bandwagon is rolling. It's shit.

StripeyChina · 29/07/2019 08:19

Is there a new thread, please?

StripeyChina · 29/07/2019 08:21

Doh! (sorry, just seen it!)

Peregrina · 29/07/2019 09:23

he is extremely intelligent

What use is intelligence if you are too lazy to use it?

I suspect we all know people like that, like Johnson, who spend their time arsing around in life. He happens to come from a wealthy family so he gets away with it.

We also all must know people who don't have as much intelligence but use the intelligence they have.

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