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Westminstenders: On An Election Footing

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RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 16:22

Boris Johnson has set out his strategy.

He is challenging remain Tories to put their money where their mouth is, or to shut up.

His majority, soon to be just 1, is fragile but he intends to tough it out.

His Cabinet, is to all intents and purposes an ERG take over of the Tory Party, not unlike the Momentum take over of the Labour Party. And Johnson is looking to purge the party of its liberal wing, whilst pretending that he is liberal to make it acceptable to long term loyal Tories who might still waiver and merely vote for the rosette or like the veneer of respectability.

It has been made clear to Tory MPs that they will have to sign up to a No Deal Strategy should a snap election be called - or face the prospect of deselection. Disloyality will not be tolerated as Hunt's Cabinet backers all found out when they were sacked rather than be allowed to resign as Grayling was.

Instead Johnson reaped his revenge bringing back quitters and disgraced MPs as a deliberate 'fuck you' to moderates and remainers.

His message is clear and made all the clearer by the appointment of Dominic Cummings.

Today the Treasurery opened the piggie bank and told all departments to prepare for no deal. That is what is going to happen.

Parliament can not stop no deal. Johnson will drive it through regardless, even if its technically illegal. The default of no deal makes it an impossible juggernaught to stop without triggering a GE before the 31st October.

Technically speaking there are just 3 parliamentary days left this can be done.

And a GE is no guarentee of stopping no deal anyway. Cummings coming on board spells it out. Its a campaign strategy to reinvigourate the Leave Campaign and make all the promises that were made before. Of course there is no way of implimenting any of these before 31st October, so they just sound nice and people will believe them because they want to believe them. They want to trust and have hope for the future.

Yet with no trade deals and third party status, and crippling gridlock at ports and extra red tape for exporters and importers to deal with, it is inevitable that the economy will take a big hit. And Johnson's promises are expensive. His £39 billion he wants to withhold, is peanuts in the scheme of things and given what he is proposing.

The plan might sound nice, but it doesn't actually add up.

If we want a deal we will STILL have to sign up to conditions that Brussels sets out EVEN IF we no deal.

Meanwhile the US is ready and waiting to fleece us, because we aren't prepared to admit this and are too proud to see that this is a better option than have corporate American feast on the bones of the British economy.

Human Rights and Workers Rights are very much in the cross hairs with this. Health and Safety standards that have been set by London and then imposed on the EU will be burnt.

All the while the EU will be blamed for our own folly.

The worst thing is, people will actually buy it too.

Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse in this country, not because we lack optimism and hope, but because our egos are too big and we have been too idealist rather than recognising very real obstacles and finding ways to overcome than rather than just trying to ignore them. We will find out all those Paragraph Cs in good time the hard way because of the lack of attention to detail.

PFI and outsourcing will look like minor hiccups when the shit hits the fan.

I do hope that the puritians of the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats and the Remain Referendum Campaign are happy. This is also their mess. They have spent 3 years naval gazing and still don't understand nor know how to respond. This is where a General Election becomes a very real danger because they are clueless as to how to combat a reunited Leave campaign.

Be careful what you wish for going forward.

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DGRossetti · 25/07/2019 16:50

It is notable that @michaelgove is in charge of 'no deal' preps; notable also that he was very tepid about 'no deal' consequences since he'd worked in a department (agriculture) where he was forced to grapple with reality.

Boris isn't creative enough to have thought this up on his own. I wonder who did ?

If you dislike Michael Gove (difficult as that is) you might want to consider the psychic pain he must have gone through to accept the position, knowing the alternative is pretty much eternal backbenchery.

Not that Gove is that smart. But smart enough to realise he'd been well and truly shafted.

No reporting of Boris insistence that all cabinet ministers correspondence and communications are made available to him to check up on his no-deal commandment yet ? It'll come.

ListeningQuietly · 25/07/2019 16:50

On the other hand as I was reminded by a young person today

Brits are great at taking the piss out of those in power
hence why Mosely never made headway
and Tommeh is a source of ridicule not fear. (as before him were the likes of Nick Griffin)
Cameron was a prat for aping Farage rather than ridiculing him
Ridicule is the best weapon against Alexander's grandiose schemes

The Emperor has no clothes.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2019 16:51

Thanks, red 💐

Westministenders' Abbreviations:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eureferendumm2016/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation?msgid=84503730

placemats · 25/07/2019 16:52

We all know here that Dominic Cummings is bizarre. If you think the removals company that is Johnson and Co makes no sense, then take a butchers at this.

dominiccummings.com/

TLDR: Your guess is as good as mine.

tobee · 25/07/2019 16:52

There are a fuckton of numpties and nasties in the world aren't there?

RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 16:52

Also, don't forget Dominic Cummings and the Civil Service.

From Tim Shipman's Brexit Book

Westminstenders: On An Election Footing
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DGRossetti · 25/07/2019 16:54

Watch out for elected judges coming soon.

Is it possible to have too much democracy ?

Songsofexperience · 25/07/2019 16:55

*Civil Service Purge on the Cards...

Watch out for elected judges coming soon.*

Oh my God. No. Just no.
The morons cheering on that will be the same who think direct democracy is the way to go.

placemats · 25/07/2019 16:55

Don't forget Northern Ireland.

A united Ireland beckons most sweetly now. And Sinn Fein did nothing to expedite this.

The SNP, if they are clever enough, and they are, just have to sit back and do nothing.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 25/07/2019 16:56

Over tired PMK

GeistohneGrenzen · 25/07/2019 16:57

pmk

placemats · 25/07/2019 16:57

The Civil Service has been doing sterling work in keeping Northern Ireland afloat.

Songsofexperience · 25/07/2019 16:58

Can't help thinking: as a naturalised EU citizen I'm British- that was clear when i chose my citizenship. Am I English ? I really don't know. Another identity crisis looming...

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2019 16:59

Great OP, red 👏🏼

"we are heading for a general election."

If the rightwing vote is split, the Tories are unlikely to keep power

HENCE - my suspicion - there is, or will be, a GE deal done with Farage
so that his party doesn't contend a GE in which the Tories have No Deal on their manifesto

Look out for sweeteners like a peerage for Farage
and who is the next US ambassador

  • will it be Farage or Richard Tice MEP, or another prominant Brexiter, instead of a career diplomat ?
placemats · 25/07/2019 17:00

Elected Police Commissioners, Elected Judges, all these land on your door.

Yet still the WILL OF THE PEOPLE mean no People's Vote and no second Referendum.

New Order.

RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 17:04

Chris Grey@chrisgreybrexit
Ex-Vote Leave chief joins Treasury as Sajid Javid adviser
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/25/treasury-appoints-ex-vote-leave-chief-matthew-elliott-as-sajid-javid-adviser?CMP=share_btn_tw
Ex-Vote Leave chief may join Treasury as Sajid Javid adviser - reports
Soft Brexit opponent Matthew Elliott joins Dominic Cummings as key policymaker

Hmmm....

Jennifer Rankin @JenniferMerode
Jean-Claude Juncker/Boris Johnson phone call didn't happen last night, because Johnson team proposed after midnight Brussels time. Did they forget the time difference?

Broken promises already? Without legislation his promise is meaningless.

Sam Coates Sky@SamCoatesSky
Johnson’s first💥

No10 saying no new legislation needed to enshrine EU citizens rights in law - the promise Johnson made to the comment. It is done under existing settlement status scheme. Today’s commitment is in effect verbal

Tory MP Alberto Costa says legislation promised

2. Cont
Costa says new law needed for reciprocal commitments in event of no deal in countries like Spain, which need statute (not verbal commitments) to trigger protections

Understand Johnson were going to legislate but officials said not necessary cos of settled status scheme

3. Cont
Costa set to meet Priti Patel to talk about this. It’s not settled

Costa told @SkyNews legislation needed in first 100 days...

... but all legislation can be hijacked

Also looks like Johnson is avoiding big important votes too.

Also very much worth reading is Jon Worth's thread on archived Dominic Cummings Tweets which gives some incite into whats in his head and how he doesn't have a lot of time for remains, nor a lot of ERG types

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cherin · 25/07/2019 17:04

songs upon naturalisation on the questionnaire at the last form you didn’t have to declare which “nation” you wanted to belong to? We had to, and we declared England because that’s where we live...

Peregrina · 25/07/2019 17:06

I don't know with Farage - he is also angry with the Tory party, but I could see Johnson trying to negotiate a deal. Actually, thinking about it, Farage hasn't got the bodies on the ground to do the spadework necessary to win many seats in an election, so he will make a great show of saying that his candidates are stepping aside.

As one who was a middle ranking Civil Servant - don't the higher echelons tend to be public school educated? I can't see Johnson really wanting to sweep all his chums out.

Alsohuman · 25/07/2019 17:06

Oh Christ and I thought it was terrifying before.

Songsofexperience · 25/07/2019 17:07

I honestly can't remember that!

Motheroffourdragons · 25/07/2019 17:08

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IrenetheQuaint · 25/07/2019 17:09
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Hazardtired · 25/07/2019 17:09

Ta red

I was reading archived Cummings tweets a few days back he is not ERG's biggest fan thinks they are lazy amoungst other things. Also -from memory- he isn't a fan of Nigel much either.

Who does Cummings like?

RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 17:13

Peter Walker @peterwalker99
That is pretty alarming. Westley is linked to the UK branch of the unsavoury US pro-Trump group Turning Point. She is, incidentally one of about three people I've ever had to block on Twitter (she invited US rightwinger Ben Shapiro to sue me after I called him prejudiced).

Notice anything from the paragraph below taken from Wiki?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_USA

Turning Point UK (TPUK) is a British offshoot of Turning Point USA, set up to challenge left-wing political ideology which the organisation perceives to be dominant in UK schools, colleges and universities.

Turning Point UK's chairman is George Farmer (fiance of Candace Owens) and its CEO is Oliver (Ollie) Anisfeld, (son of Lance Forman, Brexit Party MEP for London since 2019). The group employs several staff.

The organisation claims it has chapters at the universities of Sussex, Oxford, St Andrews, York, Warwick, Nottingham, King's College London, University College London, the London School of Economics and the University of the Arts London. Like Turning Point USA, it does not disclose the identities of its donors.

The group was launched in December 2018 by Kirk and Owens at the Royal Automobile Club in London. Among those attending the event were Andy Wigmore, Paul Joseph Watson and James Delingpole. On the day of its social media launch in February 2019, MPs including Jacob Rees-Mogg and Priti Patel tweeted supportive messages for the organisation, while it was marked for criticism by left-wing British newspapers and their supporters and the launch of its Twitter account was accompanied by multiple parody accounts, including a few created by a ‘left-leaning student’ calling himself ‘Skeptical Seventh’. There was also a protest from the charity Turning Point over potential confusion caused by similarities between the two names.

Labour MP David Lammy has described Turning Point UK as evidence that “sinister forces are taking hold of our country” and that the Conservative Party “openly promotes hard-right, xenophobic bile”.

Dominique Samuels, a so-called "influencer" on behalf of the group, told the BBC during a radio interview that the UK branch would not set up the same controversial Professor Watchlist for which its US counterpart is known.

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RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 17:14

Who does Cummings like?

Dominic Cummings.
And maybe his wife and children. At a push.

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