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Westminstenders: On An Election Footing

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RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 16:22

Boris Johnson has set out his strategy.

He is challenging remain Tories to put their money where their mouth is, or to shut up.

His majority, soon to be just 1, is fragile but he intends to tough it out.

His Cabinet, is to all intents and purposes an ERG take over of the Tory Party, not unlike the Momentum take over of the Labour Party. And Johnson is looking to purge the party of its liberal wing, whilst pretending that he is liberal to make it acceptable to long term loyal Tories who might still waiver and merely vote for the rosette or like the veneer of respectability.

It has been made clear to Tory MPs that they will have to sign up to a No Deal Strategy should a snap election be called - or face the prospect of deselection. Disloyality will not be tolerated as Hunt's Cabinet backers all found out when they were sacked rather than be allowed to resign as Grayling was.

Instead Johnson reaped his revenge bringing back quitters and disgraced MPs as a deliberate 'fuck you' to moderates and remainers.

His message is clear and made all the clearer by the appointment of Dominic Cummings.

Today the Treasurery opened the piggie bank and told all departments to prepare for no deal. That is what is going to happen.

Parliament can not stop no deal. Johnson will drive it through regardless, even if its technically illegal. The default of no deal makes it an impossible juggernaught to stop without triggering a GE before the 31st October.

Technically speaking there are just 3 parliamentary days left this can be done.

And a GE is no guarentee of stopping no deal anyway. Cummings coming on board spells it out. Its a campaign strategy to reinvigourate the Leave Campaign and make all the promises that were made before. Of course there is no way of implimenting any of these before 31st October, so they just sound nice and people will believe them because they want to believe them. They want to trust and have hope for the future.

Yet with no trade deals and third party status, and crippling gridlock at ports and extra red tape for exporters and importers to deal with, it is inevitable that the economy will take a big hit. And Johnson's promises are expensive. His £39 billion he wants to withhold, is peanuts in the scheme of things and given what he is proposing.

The plan might sound nice, but it doesn't actually add up.

If we want a deal we will STILL have to sign up to conditions that Brussels sets out EVEN IF we no deal.

Meanwhile the US is ready and waiting to fleece us, because we aren't prepared to admit this and are too proud to see that this is a better option than have corporate American feast on the bones of the British economy.

Human Rights and Workers Rights are very much in the cross hairs with this. Health and Safety standards that have been set by London and then imposed on the EU will be burnt.

All the while the EU will be blamed for our own folly.

The worst thing is, people will actually buy it too.

Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse in this country, not because we lack optimism and hope, but because our egos are too big and we have been too idealist rather than recognising very real obstacles and finding ways to overcome than rather than just trying to ignore them. We will find out all those Paragraph Cs in good time the hard way because of the lack of attention to detail.

PFI and outsourcing will look like minor hiccups when the shit hits the fan.

I do hope that the puritians of the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats and the Remain Referendum Campaign are happy. This is also their mess. They have spent 3 years naval gazing and still don't understand nor know how to respond. This is where a General Election becomes a very real danger because they are clueless as to how to combat a reunited Leave campaign.

Be careful what you wish for going forward.

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placemats · 25/07/2019 18:09

I believe there will be more police and ground troops recruited though - he'll need them to keep order

Stop this shite right now. Order where? A few people with a megaphone making a noise? The only dangerous ones are those with a Brexit agenda.

placemats · 25/07/2019 18:10

No deal isn't going to happen. Get this straight. Johnson & Co are NEVER going to deliver a no deal.

NoWordForFluffy · 25/07/2019 18:11

I need whatever drugs you're on, placemats, as I don't believe you.

Peregrina · 25/07/2019 18:11

Where exactly will he recruit more troops and police from?

Peregrina · 25/07/2019 18:12

Never say never.

Myriade · 25/07/2019 18:14

they wont recruit more polive forces. they'll use the army as per the No Deal plan from TM

RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 18:16

Get this straight. Johnson & Co are NEVER going to deliver a no deal.

They don't have to deliver anything to get No Deal. Just sit on their arses.

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Mistigri · 25/07/2019 18:16

they have they got to pull their finger out and get this sorted ASAP.

This is fighting talk, but you need to have a plan for actually doing it. So far Bozos plan seems to be to pull his finger out of his arse and stick it in his mouth (sorry). Brexiters seem to find this impressive. I have no idea why.

Chris Grey has an interesting argument that this is actually just more of the same, albeit with a harder/borderline far right cabinet.

chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2019/07/an-extraordinary-week.html

prettybird · 25/07/2019 18:17

I think you're right placemats : the SNP just have to sit back and let BJ and his cronies break the Union all on their own Smile

And yes, Nicola and her team are savvy enough to leave them to it Grin

I just wish that this wasn't at the expense of trashing the economy and hurting all those that didn't vote for this (as well as those that were conned) Sad

I've noticed a few of my more conspiracy-seeing friends are suggesting that BJ might decide to roll back devolution and impose more direct control via the Scottish Office. I'm not so concerned as I think but stranger things have happened Sad Parliament would stop it. Dh thinks that if he were to do it, then we would see civil unrest (with the unspoken addition that he would be part of it Shock) Sad

AutumnCrow · 25/07/2019 18:17

A very sad and pissed off PMK.

akkakk · 25/07/2019 18:17

There seems to be a lot of cynicism about Boris Johnson - but that is to forget that he is not driving the country to a no-deal exit... that is already in place. It was put in place when the article to leave was triggered - and that happened because of the referendum - they are a sequence of steps which are enshrined in law...

The reason we are now at October 31st is because MPS have been playing silly games - seeing it as a way of playing with their power struggles for their own benefit - there has been almost zero effort to get together and work out what is best for the country - Theresa May was honourable and attempted to take it forward, to deliver what the people voted for, (even though she didn't agree), but she was shafted at every point because she tried to listen to parliament and parliament only wanted to play silly games...

Boris Johnson has taken on the poisoned chalice - and we need to see what he can do - but there are few choices - and all the talk of vote of no-confidence in the government / general elections won't of itself change exiting on the 31st of October...

Whatever we do - we exit on the 31st of October - unless something else is agreed by the UK parliament & the EU - and they have said until now, no chance - we as a country no longer get to influence that exit date without their agreement.

So, we either strike a deal before then, or no-deal is the default - no choice, tough, that is what parliament has signed up for. And the ones to blame are the MPs - all of them, from all parties who have had two years to put aside their power struggle and selfish me-first attitudes, and work together for the good of our country - they have wasted two years and now we have just over 2 months...

Boris Johnson has little choice - he is a very bright chap and knows the situation, like it or not he is simply spelling it out - we either get a new deal or we are on no-deal Brexit - that is life...

so isn't it about time that our country pulled together to be constructive and find the right route forward - to stop playing little childish games of I am better than you etc. and to support those who have a monumentally difficult task ahead?

Instead, the media / other MPS / those commenting online all seem to think that it is better to stick the dagger in and try to look good - even though that is only to damage themselves and the whole country...

I didn't vote for Boris Johnson, I wouldn't have had us leave the EU - I wouldn't even have had the referendum - however we are where we are due to ineffective people who need to pull their finger out - now is the time to support / enable / build up our country and find a good exit - not to keep being negative and pull people down...

Exit is happening - that is the legal position we are in - it is about finding the best exit now - not trying to destroy the country in the vain belief that somehow that will change the legal position...

RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 18:18

Re Court ruling to stop no deal.

I honestly think Johnson would risk being in contempt and just ignore them.

Give me one reason you think he'd respect them?

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placemats · 25/07/2019 18:20

Let's all be honest about this. This is all a game of pass the poison chalice. Boris got it. hence all the cheers

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 25/07/2019 18:20

PMK

placemats · 25/07/2019 18:23

they are a sequence of steps which are enshrined in law...

These steps are not enshrined in law. And the rest of your post is rubbish.

We can revoke article 50 at any time. Hold another referendum at any time. Instead we have a bumbling idiot at the helm of the Hesperuswho will NEVER go down with the ship.

GaspodeWonderCat · 25/07/2019 18:25

Now I know the end is nigh Iambuffy agrees with LouiseCollins28 ...see BJ is bringing us all together ...

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2019 18:30

Agressive posts don't change the reality

BJ would be savaged by the ERG if he attempted anything else but No Deal

MPs don't have the power to force Revoke, or an extension, on an unwilling PM
They only have the power to call a VoNC to topple the govt, then 14 days to try to form a govt themselves,
or it's a GE - which BJ may delay past Brexit

The courts can't help, not at this late stage

GaspodeWonderCat · 25/07/2019 18:30

akkakk: {Boris Johnson has little choice - he is a very bright chap (any evidence of this?) and knows the situation, like it or not he is simply spelling it out - we either get a new deal or we are on no-deal Brexit - that is life...

so isn't it about time that our country pulled together to be constructive ...} (waves to TisIeclerc with use of curly brackets)

just gotta believe. I am trying this theory of belief with the lottery (that I don't have any tickets for). Here's hoping.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2019 18:31

A big reason we are in this mess is that people on both sides keep thinking that if they just believe hard enough and close their eyes,
then their dream will happen

Iambuffy · 25/07/2019 18:32

gaspode its the end times

akkakk · 25/07/2019 18:34

We can revoke article 50 at any time. Hold another referendum at any time. Instead we have a bumbling idiot at the helm of the Hesperuswho will NEVER go down with the ship.

You kind of shoot yourself in the foot - whatever Boris Johnson is - it certainly is not bumbling idiot Grin he is extremely intelligent - however he may portray himself... calling someone names doesn't make them that!

Yes the ECJ has ruled that we could cancel Article 50 - but with the caveat that we could only do so based on the result of a fully democratic process (usually taken as a second referendum) - to not be fully democratic leaves the country and process open to legal challenge - to hold a second referendum to counter the first also leaves the country open to legal challenge on the basis that if the first referendum is valid, we should exit and if it is not then a second may not be fully democratic - it is an absolute minefield legally and likely to cause far more damage to our country than any other option...

therefore, there is really no option for the PM - and Boris Johnson knows this - the country voted to leave, leave has been triggered - the result of that trigger times out on October 31st, so the choices now are no-deal exit, or re-build the deal - whether or not he is the ideal person as PM - he is now the one in power and so he has said he will work for a better agreed deal, but will also balance that with awareness that possibly no deal will happen so that he will plan for that as well - decisive and the correct decisions considering where we are now...

Socksontheradiator · 25/07/2019 18:35

I heard on brexitcast this morning that most members of the new cabinet actually voted for the WA. I may be being very naive and it's just the BBC trying to remain balanced, but is that not a sign that they are not rabid no dealers?

placemats · 25/07/2019 18:35

Is there anyone here that believes that Johnson & Co will bring us into a golden age?

Oh and I understand the difference between the Government and Parliament.

The Government can revoke article 50. It can call another referendum. It will do neither of course. Except call another GE.

31st October is as meaningless as any other date.

ContinuityError · 25/07/2019 18:40

Just had an interesting YouGov survey - could I name members of the new cabinet (wrt to photos) and what did I think of Johnson, no deal, and timetable for a GE.

placemats · 25/07/2019 18:40

it certainly is not bumbling idiot grin he is extremely intelligent

He isn't extremely intelligent.

And if that video is too long for you to watch, Mary won the debate, turning it round, then have a read of this. It will take about 5 minutes.

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