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Westminstenders: On An Election Footing

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RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 16:22

Boris Johnson has set out his strategy.

He is challenging remain Tories to put their money where their mouth is, or to shut up.

His majority, soon to be just 1, is fragile but he intends to tough it out.

His Cabinet, is to all intents and purposes an ERG take over of the Tory Party, not unlike the Momentum take over of the Labour Party. And Johnson is looking to purge the party of its liberal wing, whilst pretending that he is liberal to make it acceptable to long term loyal Tories who might still waiver and merely vote for the rosette or like the veneer of respectability.

It has been made clear to Tory MPs that they will have to sign up to a No Deal Strategy should a snap election be called - or face the prospect of deselection. Disloyality will not be tolerated as Hunt's Cabinet backers all found out when they were sacked rather than be allowed to resign as Grayling was.

Instead Johnson reaped his revenge bringing back quitters and disgraced MPs as a deliberate 'fuck you' to moderates and remainers.

His message is clear and made all the clearer by the appointment of Dominic Cummings.

Today the Treasurery opened the piggie bank and told all departments to prepare for no deal. That is what is going to happen.

Parliament can not stop no deal. Johnson will drive it through regardless, even if its technically illegal. The default of no deal makes it an impossible juggernaught to stop without triggering a GE before the 31st October.

Technically speaking there are just 3 parliamentary days left this can be done.

And a GE is no guarentee of stopping no deal anyway. Cummings coming on board spells it out. Its a campaign strategy to reinvigourate the Leave Campaign and make all the promises that were made before. Of course there is no way of implimenting any of these before 31st October, so they just sound nice and people will believe them because they want to believe them. They want to trust and have hope for the future.

Yet with no trade deals and third party status, and crippling gridlock at ports and extra red tape for exporters and importers to deal with, it is inevitable that the economy will take a big hit. And Johnson's promises are expensive. His £39 billion he wants to withhold, is peanuts in the scheme of things and given what he is proposing.

The plan might sound nice, but it doesn't actually add up.

If we want a deal we will STILL have to sign up to conditions that Brussels sets out EVEN IF we no deal.

Meanwhile the US is ready and waiting to fleece us, because we aren't prepared to admit this and are too proud to see that this is a better option than have corporate American feast on the bones of the British economy.

Human Rights and Workers Rights are very much in the cross hairs with this. Health and Safety standards that have been set by London and then imposed on the EU will be burnt.

All the while the EU will be blamed for our own folly.

The worst thing is, people will actually buy it too.

Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse in this country, not because we lack optimism and hope, but because our egos are too big and we have been too idealist rather than recognising very real obstacles and finding ways to overcome than rather than just trying to ignore them. We will find out all those Paragraph Cs in good time the hard way because of the lack of attention to detail.

PFI and outsourcing will look like minor hiccups when the shit hits the fan.

I do hope that the puritians of the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats and the Remain Referendum Campaign are happy. This is also their mess. They have spent 3 years naval gazing and still don't understand nor know how to respond. This is where a General Election becomes a very real danger because they are clueless as to how to combat a reunited Leave campaign.

Be careful what you wish for going forward.

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Iambuffy · 25/07/2019 17:15

A very very sad and tired pmk

ListeningQuietly · 25/07/2019 17:17

Ah yes, Turning Point
I think this picture is just wonderful
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/24/trump-presidential-seal-doctored-russia-golf-turning-point

mrslaughan · 25/07/2019 17:32

I have been saying for ages we can't have a general election until charges are brought for the illegal actions of vote leave ....... but it has just take so long (too long, why has it taken so long) and now the bustards are running the show ...... they will run the same strategy in a GE - and essentially we are fucked.
The BBC will keep on promoting them - not questioning the lies and the English public are too lazy or stupid to dig for the truth......

DGRossetti · 25/07/2019 17:36

The BBC will keep on promoting them

until it's too late.

Wait until Boris scraps the license fee and makes the BBC just another content provider. That'll be one way to provide a tax cut - and cut the balls off the only organisation that could criticise him in one fell swoop.

You read it here first.

MockerstheFeManist · 25/07/2019 17:40

Bozza is being market-tested by Benedict Cummingsbatch:

twitter.com/rowlsmanthorpe/status/1154158745657716736

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2019 17:43

Yes a GE is a very imperfect way to maybe avoid No Deal , that may not deliver the result we want
BUT
what else is feasible for MPs to do at this late stage ?

Not what colour of Remain unicorn we want, but what is actually possible to do

Doing nothing just means No Deal is inevitable

RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 17:46

Oh. Oh dear.

Laura Kuenssberg@bbclaurak
So according to a source who knows their way around the machinations of Whitehall... if MPs want to be sure there is no chance of leaving without a deal they need to call and win a vote of no confidence today or the first day of recess

Chris White @ cgwOMT
This timetable is incorrect - MPs should have tabled yesterday to guarantee election before 31.10. If VONC were successful, but no alternative Government were to win a vote of confidence in 14 day period, an incumbent PM could delay election after 31.10
www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/why-mps-who-want-to-stop-no-deal-must-act-today-8mqzrk0jg

So that was why the result was timetabled for when it was... Right?

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FiveAcorns · 25/07/2019 17:47

Rolling out the mat for King Place

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2019 17:48

imo, BJ will go for a GE soon after a No Deal Brexit,
but not before if he can possibly avoid it

He - or his backers - want 5 years to roll back the last vestiges of the welfare state & workers rights
and above all to loot the country

Vulture capitalists made many billions when the Russian economy crashed in the 90s
and the Uk economy is much much bigger, so vastly greater potential profit

However, they want to be sure first that Brexit happens
Even under Corbyn, the hedge-funders will make their profits betting against Sterling and against British businesses

pointythings · 25/07/2019 17:49

A very despondent PlaceMatPenguin. Because I'm hot and fed up.

Westminstenders: On An Election Footing
MockerstheFeManist · 25/07/2019 17:49

All eyes on Grieve, Starmer and Partners, attorneys at law, to come up with some wizad prang.

NoWordForFluffy · 25/07/2019 17:51

A 'melting on the train' PMK.

I'm worried now. It's all getting particularly scary in the direction it's taking.

When is Labour going to bloody do SOMETHING (anything) to provide effective opposition? Does Corbyn understand what his job is?

CrunchyCarrot · 25/07/2019 17:52

Headachey PMK. Thanks Red.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2019 17:55

red We calculated the 14-day period plus the 5 weeks GE campaign

  • I assumed - bad practice - that the GE date was automatic and could not be delayed by the caretaker PM

BUT (case 1 below is VoNC)
it does look like the PM can choose the GE date:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-termParliamentssAct2011

•	If the <a class="break-all" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_the_United_Kingdom" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">House of Commons</a> resolves "That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty's Government" (a <a class="break-all" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motions_of_no_confidence_in_the_United_Kingdom" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">motion of no confidence</a>), an early general election is held, 
   unless the House of Commons subsequently resolves "That this House has confidence in Her Majesty's Government". 
   This second resolution must be made within fourteen days of the first. 

This provision recognises that in a hung parliament it might be possible for a new government to be formed, commanding a majority.

•	If the House of Commons, with the support of two-thirds of its total membership (including vacant seats), resolves "That there shall be an early parliamentary general election".

In either of these two cases,
the Monarch (on the recommendation of the prime minister) appoints the date of the new election by proclamation.
Parliament is then dissolved 25 working days before that date.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2019 17:57

If that's correct, then the only way out is for the Opposition, with confidence & supply from Tory Remainers,
to form a govt within those 14 days

That requires a lot of people to put country before party & career
< gulp >

LouiseCollins28 · 25/07/2019 17:57

Thanks Red for a really interesting starter for the new thread.

I completely get the point about Labour, the Lib Dems, etc and I agree but I think the moment has come to assert that this is a wider failure, with risks attached.

Just look at this!

www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-confirm-two-year-parliament-to-deliver-brexit-and-beyond

A 2 year session, nearly over. I have to say I regard our present situation as an utter failure of Parliament.

Our elected representatives be they Remain, Leave, Tory, Labour Lib Dem SNP or whoever as a class have failed us. They have had 2 years to pass an admittedly stiff test but have totally flunked it.

Our elected representatives were put on notice 3 years ago that their actions had been damaging communities across the country for decades. 2 years on from the most recent General Election the class of 2017-19 have, by their inaction, allowed this dangerously febrile situation to develop.

I am proud of our country (meaning the UK) for many things. One of the things that makes me proud of it is that power has, for hundreds of years, transferred peacefully from one administration to another, as it did on Tuesday this week.

Parliament is and always will be the last, best hope we have to ensure that this always happens but by heavens to make sure it does they have they got to pull their finger out and get this sorted ASAP.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2019 17:59

If they can't agree on this,
then maybe even just a v temporary govt, whose only purpose is to call an immediate GE, before Brexit

NoWordForFluffy · 25/07/2019 17:59

I hope those people like Grieve etc who we're relying on have a bloody good think over the summer and actually formulate a bloody plan to DO something. They're all so fucking passive. We need oomph and gumption right now.

Iambuffy · 25/07/2019 18:01

A govt of national unity?

NoWordForFluffy · 25/07/2019 18:03

That would actually work, BCF. Now for those self-serving idiots to click.

placemats · 25/07/2019 18:04

Let Johnson & Co deliver the oomph and gumption now. Let them sweat it out.

The rest of us can sit back and fan ourselves.

About bloody time lard arse did some work.

LouiseCollins28 · 25/07/2019 18:04

Wednesday even! whoops.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2019 18:04

Louise Brexit has blocked most other legislation,

especially the last few months, during which the govt have tried to avoid introducing any bills, in case anything is tagged on to stop No Deal

After No Deal, the govt will be desperately fire-fighting, with exports crashing and the trade deficit rocketing, Sterling crisis .....
no govt / civil service bandwidth available for any of these other fancy promises from BJ

I believe there will be more police and ground troops recruited though - he'll need them to keep order

Iambuffy · 25/07/2019 18:04

I finally agree with you on something louise

NoWordForFluffy · 25/07/2019 18:06

Johnson's idea of oomph and gumption is headlong into no deal. So no, ta, I'd rather somebody opposing Johnson delivered what's needed.