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Westminstenders: On An Election Footing

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RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 16:22

Boris Johnson has set out his strategy.

He is challenging remain Tories to put their money where their mouth is, or to shut up.

His majority, soon to be just 1, is fragile but he intends to tough it out.

His Cabinet, is to all intents and purposes an ERG take over of the Tory Party, not unlike the Momentum take over of the Labour Party. And Johnson is looking to purge the party of its liberal wing, whilst pretending that he is liberal to make it acceptable to long term loyal Tories who might still waiver and merely vote for the rosette or like the veneer of respectability.

It has been made clear to Tory MPs that they will have to sign up to a No Deal Strategy should a snap election be called - or face the prospect of deselection. Disloyality will not be tolerated as Hunt's Cabinet backers all found out when they were sacked rather than be allowed to resign as Grayling was.

Instead Johnson reaped his revenge bringing back quitters and disgraced MPs as a deliberate 'fuck you' to moderates and remainers.

His message is clear and made all the clearer by the appointment of Dominic Cummings.

Today the Treasurery opened the piggie bank and told all departments to prepare for no deal. That is what is going to happen.

Parliament can not stop no deal. Johnson will drive it through regardless, even if its technically illegal. The default of no deal makes it an impossible juggernaught to stop without triggering a GE before the 31st October.

Technically speaking there are just 3 parliamentary days left this can be done.

And a GE is no guarentee of stopping no deal anyway. Cummings coming on board spells it out. Its a campaign strategy to reinvigourate the Leave Campaign and make all the promises that were made before. Of course there is no way of implimenting any of these before 31st October, so they just sound nice and people will believe them because they want to believe them. They want to trust and have hope for the future.

Yet with no trade deals and third party status, and crippling gridlock at ports and extra red tape for exporters and importers to deal with, it is inevitable that the economy will take a big hit. And Johnson's promises are expensive. His £39 billion he wants to withhold, is peanuts in the scheme of things and given what he is proposing.

The plan might sound nice, but it doesn't actually add up.

If we want a deal we will STILL have to sign up to conditions that Brussels sets out EVEN IF we no deal.

Meanwhile the US is ready and waiting to fleece us, because we aren't prepared to admit this and are too proud to see that this is a better option than have corporate American feast on the bones of the British economy.

Human Rights and Workers Rights are very much in the cross hairs with this. Health and Safety standards that have been set by London and then imposed on the EU will be burnt.

All the while the EU will be blamed for our own folly.

The worst thing is, people will actually buy it too.

Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse in this country, not because we lack optimism and hope, but because our egos are too big and we have been too idealist rather than recognising very real obstacles and finding ways to overcome than rather than just trying to ignore them. We will find out all those Paragraph Cs in good time the hard way because of the lack of attention to detail.

PFI and outsourcing will look like minor hiccups when the shit hits the fan.

I do hope that the puritians of the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats and the Remain Referendum Campaign are happy. This is also their mess. They have spent 3 years naval gazing and still don't understand nor know how to respond. This is where a General Election becomes a very real danger because they are clueless as to how to combat a reunited Leave campaign.

Be careful what you wish for going forward.

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Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 21:08

Dominic Cummings is a swivel eyed, balding, chinless thundercunt.

I'm not sure even he knows what his endgame is.

He seems to think he is fundementally better and more intelligent than everyone else.

I mean, fair dos, probably accurate as far as the current Tory cabinet goes....but a dead, rabid badger would out perform half of the ERG twats.

Sigh.

DGRossetti · 27/07/2019 21:10

and on cue, from the ancient world (via FB) Grin

These decrees of yours are no different from spiders' webs. They'll restrain anyone weak and insignificant who gets caught in them, but they'll be torn to shreds by people with power and wealth.

Anacharsis - 6th century BC

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 21:10

DG Taking the kids to see horrible histories:the romans film on monday :)

SwedishEdith · 27/07/2019 21:15

This thread has disappeared from TIO and does't appear in the Brexit topic. How weird. I have to search on a key word to find the thread. Confused.

Icantreachthepretzels · 27/07/2019 21:20

I have refused to watch horrible histories since the proper cast left. Not Mat Baynton? Not interested.

DGRossetti · 27/07/2019 21:24

I think MNHQ have gremlins of late Hmm

JustAnotherPoster00 · 27/07/2019 21:24

With the best will in the world, I don't think that is going to happen, but with LibDem, SNP, PC, Green and a rump of Labour it could be possible.

Swinson has already said she wont go into a coalition with a Corbyn led Labour

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 21:24

Give it a go!
It's still good!

ListeningQuietly · 27/07/2019 21:25

Swedish
It shows up fine on my feed. There have been lots of oddities with TIO lately (apparently)
Maybe Vlad's folks are hung over Grin

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 21:25

I am watching the film "The Meg" atm...it's about a prehistoric shark (megalodon) being all sharky amd spoiling people's fun.

It's awesome 😁🦈

ListeningQuietly · 27/07/2019 21:28

TBH when there was nothing on telly last night, my family watched a whole series of Horrible Histories Blush

BigChocFrenzy · 27/07/2019 21:34

lonelytiredand low A GE is not my favourite option:

To get a GE before Brexit Day would require a VoNC to succeed and for another PM to be chosen within the 14 days,
to remove BJ as caretaker PM

If MPs achieved that, it would make more sense to call a PV, rather than a GE, which would be only my 2nd preference

I would prefer a PV to let voters decide, rather than just the new PM revoking
Even if the result is Brexit, at least voters would have chosen a specific Leave option and would have consented to the consequences

(if voters again refuse to listen, then they have exceeded the limit of how much they can be protected from their choices)

BigChocFrenzy · 27/07/2019 21:40

Imo, a coalition is a bad idea
It should be a minority government, with confidence & supply from the other parties

Otherwise, the smaller party / parties are likely to suffer electorally, whoever is PM

The PM might be a compromise figure, who is not a party leader,
but no party can reasonably expect to choose the leader of another party

My opinion of Swinson's political nous is getting even lower

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 21:43

LQ when we were on hols we went to lindisfarne and sang the "viking" song from HH....

🎼It was the summer of 793
And we sailed across the great north sea...🎶🎵

bellinisurge · 27/07/2019 21:47

Ha @Iambuffy , we do that too! Literally Grin

NoWordForFluffy · 27/07/2019 21:52

(Only kidding. You're awesome and sane)

Well, I mightn't go that far! 😂😂

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 21:56

LITERALLY!!!! 🤟🛡⚔

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 21:58

🎼I drink from their skulls
Do the patchacooti🎶🎵

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 21:59

🎼pull out their teeth whole
Do the patchacooti🎵🎶

BigChocFrenzy · 27/07/2019 21:59

A Labour by-election sometime ....

What date would Corbyn choose ?
If he thinks the LDems are likely to regain their former seat, then he might delay, to fight seat only at the GE
... or the GE might be announced anyway soon after the resignation

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/exclusive-jared-omara-to-resign-as-sheffield-hallam-mp-486882

Mr O’Mara has endured a damning week
after his former chief of staff Gareth Arnold resigned via a foul-mouthed rant on the MP’s own official Twitter account
and a 20-year-old woman employed by the politician accused him of sexual harassment.

The MP, aged 37, said he was ‘not well and in the process of receiving medical help’
and would resign following the MPs’ summer recess, which is due to end on Tuesday, September 3.

ListeningQuietly · 27/07/2019 21:59

For those who wonder what on EARTH we are on about ....
www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/curations/horrible-histories-songs
enjoy

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 22:00

🎼make teeth into charms
Do the patchacooti🎵🎶

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 22:00

🎼make flutes out of their arms!
Patchacooti!!🎵🎶

howabout · 27/07/2019 22:06

3 post Boris polls out this evening:
Opinium
Con 31% Lab 28% LD 16% Bxt 15% Green 5%
Delta
Con 30% Lab 25% LD 18% Bxt 14%
YouGov
Con 31% Lab 21% LD 20% Bxt 13%

JustAnotherPoster00 · 27/07/2019 22:08

Couldnt have just put it all in 1 post lambuffy?