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Westminstenders: On An Election Footing

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RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 16:22

Boris Johnson has set out his strategy.

He is challenging remain Tories to put their money where their mouth is, or to shut up.

His majority, soon to be just 1, is fragile but he intends to tough it out.

His Cabinet, is to all intents and purposes an ERG take over of the Tory Party, not unlike the Momentum take over of the Labour Party. And Johnson is looking to purge the party of its liberal wing, whilst pretending that he is liberal to make it acceptable to long term loyal Tories who might still waiver and merely vote for the rosette or like the veneer of respectability.

It has been made clear to Tory MPs that they will have to sign up to a No Deal Strategy should a snap election be called - or face the prospect of deselection. Disloyality will not be tolerated as Hunt's Cabinet backers all found out when they were sacked rather than be allowed to resign as Grayling was.

Instead Johnson reaped his revenge bringing back quitters and disgraced MPs as a deliberate 'fuck you' to moderates and remainers.

His message is clear and made all the clearer by the appointment of Dominic Cummings.

Today the Treasurery opened the piggie bank and told all departments to prepare for no deal. That is what is going to happen.

Parliament can not stop no deal. Johnson will drive it through regardless, even if its technically illegal. The default of no deal makes it an impossible juggernaught to stop without triggering a GE before the 31st October.

Technically speaking there are just 3 parliamentary days left this can be done.

And a GE is no guarentee of stopping no deal anyway. Cummings coming on board spells it out. Its a campaign strategy to reinvigourate the Leave Campaign and make all the promises that were made before. Of course there is no way of implimenting any of these before 31st October, so they just sound nice and people will believe them because they want to believe them. They want to trust and have hope for the future.

Yet with no trade deals and third party status, and crippling gridlock at ports and extra red tape for exporters and importers to deal with, it is inevitable that the economy will take a big hit. And Johnson's promises are expensive. His £39 billion he wants to withhold, is peanuts in the scheme of things and given what he is proposing.

The plan might sound nice, but it doesn't actually add up.

If we want a deal we will STILL have to sign up to conditions that Brussels sets out EVEN IF we no deal.

Meanwhile the US is ready and waiting to fleece us, because we aren't prepared to admit this and are too proud to see that this is a better option than have corporate American feast on the bones of the British economy.

Human Rights and Workers Rights are very much in the cross hairs with this. Health and Safety standards that have been set by London and then imposed on the EU will be burnt.

All the while the EU will be blamed for our own folly.

The worst thing is, people will actually buy it too.

Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse in this country, not because we lack optimism and hope, but because our egos are too big and we have been too idealist rather than recognising very real obstacles and finding ways to overcome than rather than just trying to ignore them. We will find out all those Paragraph Cs in good time the hard way because of the lack of attention to detail.

PFI and outsourcing will look like minor hiccups when the shit hits the fan.

I do hope that the puritians of the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats and the Remain Referendum Campaign are happy. This is also their mess. They have spent 3 years naval gazing and still don't understand nor know how to respond. This is where a General Election becomes a very real danger because they are clueless as to how to combat a reunited Leave campaign.

Be careful what you wish for going forward.

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ListeningQuietly · 27/07/2019 22:09

not much of a Boris Bounce then

Hazardtired · 27/07/2019 22:10

Earlier I was reading and had to stop because I was reading to the tune of I can do the limbo song but I was subbing the word limbo for congo as in congo line. So I was reading to a tune, complete with backing music obvs, but the word congo kept interjecting?

And now congo which should be limbo has been subbed for patchacooti, so thanks buffy Grin

And no I'm not doing drugs my mind just does things when I'm tired???

tobee · 27/07/2019 22:10

Is there a recent pre Johnson set of polls from those sources howabout?

Alsohuman · 27/07/2019 22:10

Bet there are a lot of disappointed Tories with those poll results. Even I’m surprised.

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 22:11

Well....I could

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 22:11

Have

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 22:11

😁

ListeningQuietly · 27/07/2019 22:13

A bit of late evening Frozen for y'all
do NOT let young kids listen

GaspodeWonderCat · 27/07/2019 22:13

A hopeful sign? Clutching at straws ...

It is understood that the former political opponents Hammond and Starmer agreed to work together through the summer recess with other leading parliamentarians who oppose no deal, including former Tory ministers Oliver Letwin and Dominic Grieve, to thrash out how best to use parliamentary votes to torpedo no deal.

On Saturday night Starmer confirmed that Johnson’s arrival in No 10 had spurred more cross-party discussions at high levels involving senior Tories sacked by Johnson, or who chose to resign, as opponents of no deal prepared a cross-party counter-offensive against his new hard-Brexit cabinet and government.

[https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/27/hammond-plots-with-starmer-to-kill-no-deal-brexit]

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 22:15

You are VERY welcome hazard
😁❤
Shall I regale you with more HH treats??

Back to the thread...interesting poll results. Not sure how to interpret them tbh.
Don't new leaders usually get a "bounce" in the polls?

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 22:18

I wish I could be hopeful gaspode

Cummings and BJ will find a way to force through no deal.

It's end game now.

And we are all along for the ride...

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 22:18

DG
Google HH "marcus licinius crassus" song.
It's fabulous!

ListeningQuietly · 27/07/2019 22:20

Buffy
Have a look at the CBBC link I posted .... the whole lot are there .... its bliss

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 22:22

Marvellous! :)

GaspodeWonderCat · 27/07/2019 22:23

I love HH and the Kings and Queens of England song ... And Buffy you are so naughty splitting up the song Grin.

The 4 Georges another favourite ... and the suffragettes .. and ... I learnt a lot of Greek and Roman history from watching Xena Warrior Princess. There was nothing that woman could not do ... she had many skills.

Hazardtired · 27/07/2019 22:25

buffy Oooh I got it wrong! I just sang the tune out loud - it wasn't the limbo tune it was Do the Hustle! That makes so much more sense BlushGrin do the patchacooti

Gaspode that does look somewhat promising. If Hammon and Starmer can work together that's something....to clutch on to anyway.

SwedishEdith · 27/07/2019 22:26

It doesn't even show up in Active. It's just disappeared for me. I'm finding it by searching for 'Hallam'. 😁

BigChocFrenzy · 27/07/2019 22:27

I was expecting BJ to get a large honeymoon bounce
Was the fieldwork really done after he became PM ? Hmm

I'd expect Tory numbers to worsen from their peak after a few weeks
(unless Corbyn or Swinson do something particularly dim)

Seat predictor on those Opinium numbers is for another hung Parliament

Tories 16 short of a majority

  • so the DUP aren't enough and Farage predicted 0 seats

CON 312
LAB 246
LDem 34
BREX 0
Grn 1
SNP 36
Plaid 3
NI 18 (not calculated for parties)

BigChocFrenzy · 27/07/2019 22:32

I fear Hammond and Starmer may be cooperating too late to stop No Deal

Is Hammond is collecting (kamikaze) Tory rebels for a VoNC and then to give Labour c & s ?
Unlikely, tbh, but we are in very unlikely times

I haven't read of anything else that could work at this late stage

BigChocFrenzy · 27/07/2019 22:36

Just saw this
Anyone know: Were the Terrible Two really Momentum supporters ?^Hmm

B-ry@Brian_Payne17

Momentum down to 0 MPs now

2 great choices made by them with Jared and Fiona Onasanya. A glimpse into Labours future

JustAnotherPoster00 · 27/07/2019 22:40

Not something I've heard of BCF

BigChocFrenzy · 27/07/2019 22:41

Ian Dunt@IanDunt

People get angry that Mark Francois gets invited on to talk about things despite the fact that all he offers is ignorant bile.

But it's worse than you think: He is invited on because he offers ignorant bile.
.......
McMillan-Scott@emcmillanscott

His email used to be Francoism^^@Parliament.uk until I pointed it out. 😂😂
He's known as Pot Noodle at Tory HQ after an expenses claim for £1.49... 🤦🏻‍♀️

BigChocFrenzy · 27/07/2019 22:42

Thanks, poster
terrible selections by Labour, anyway

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 22:47

I shall henceforth only call him pot noodle. Thank you :)

BigChocFrenzy · 27/07/2019 22:47

Trump going cofev again ?
45% of UK exports are to the EU, so they surely can't be increased 3 x, either

Dmitry Grozoubinskii@DmitryOpines*

The US doesn't have a deal with the EU, so 3x0=?

BrexitCentral**@BrexitCentral

Trump: We're working on 'substantial' UK trade agreement, three times better than EU deal