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Westminstenders: On An Election Footing

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RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 16:22

Boris Johnson has set out his strategy.

He is challenging remain Tories to put their money where their mouth is, or to shut up.

His majority, soon to be just 1, is fragile but he intends to tough it out.

His Cabinet, is to all intents and purposes an ERG take over of the Tory Party, not unlike the Momentum take over of the Labour Party. And Johnson is looking to purge the party of its liberal wing, whilst pretending that he is liberal to make it acceptable to long term loyal Tories who might still waiver and merely vote for the rosette or like the veneer of respectability.

It has been made clear to Tory MPs that they will have to sign up to a No Deal Strategy should a snap election be called - or face the prospect of deselection. Disloyality will not be tolerated as Hunt's Cabinet backers all found out when they were sacked rather than be allowed to resign as Grayling was.

Instead Johnson reaped his revenge bringing back quitters and disgraced MPs as a deliberate 'fuck you' to moderates and remainers.

His message is clear and made all the clearer by the appointment of Dominic Cummings.

Today the Treasurery opened the piggie bank and told all departments to prepare for no deal. That is what is going to happen.

Parliament can not stop no deal. Johnson will drive it through regardless, even if its technically illegal. The default of no deal makes it an impossible juggernaught to stop without triggering a GE before the 31st October.

Technically speaking there are just 3 parliamentary days left this can be done.

And a GE is no guarentee of stopping no deal anyway. Cummings coming on board spells it out. Its a campaign strategy to reinvigourate the Leave Campaign and make all the promises that were made before. Of course there is no way of implimenting any of these before 31st October, so they just sound nice and people will believe them because they want to believe them. They want to trust and have hope for the future.

Yet with no trade deals and third party status, and crippling gridlock at ports and extra red tape for exporters and importers to deal with, it is inevitable that the economy will take a big hit. And Johnson's promises are expensive. His £39 billion he wants to withhold, is peanuts in the scheme of things and given what he is proposing.

The plan might sound nice, but it doesn't actually add up.

If we want a deal we will STILL have to sign up to conditions that Brussels sets out EVEN IF we no deal.

Meanwhile the US is ready and waiting to fleece us, because we aren't prepared to admit this and are too proud to see that this is a better option than have corporate American feast on the bones of the British economy.

Human Rights and Workers Rights are very much in the cross hairs with this. Health and Safety standards that have been set by London and then imposed on the EU will be burnt.

All the while the EU will be blamed for our own folly.

The worst thing is, people will actually buy it too.

Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse in this country, not because we lack optimism and hope, but because our egos are too big and we have been too idealist rather than recognising very real obstacles and finding ways to overcome than rather than just trying to ignore them. We will find out all those Paragraph Cs in good time the hard way because of the lack of attention to detail.

PFI and outsourcing will look like minor hiccups when the shit hits the fan.

I do hope that the puritians of the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats and the Remain Referendum Campaign are happy. This is also their mess. They have spent 3 years naval gazing and still don't understand nor know how to respond. This is where a General Election becomes a very real danger because they are clueless as to how to combat a reunited Leave campaign.

Be careful what you wish for going forward.

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BigChocFrenzy · 26/07/2019 12:26

Merkel:

"Lieber ein Ende mit Schrecken als ein Schrecken ohne Ende."

Justaboutdone · 26/07/2019 12:31

@HesterThrale BJ is everything that Scottish people despise.

Most of that is nothing to do with brexit but just the horrible, entitled, self serving numpty that he is.

tobee · 26/07/2019 12:32

I feel severely disadvantaged with the European language posts. I might have to get linguist dd to help me out when she gets in from work.Blush

I'm a efl teacher, so like some sort of extreme Brexiteer, am used to everyone speaking English to me. Grin

LonelyTiredandLow · 26/07/2019 12:32

Have just handed over the extra child. Father is a Leaver and excitedly babbled on about Boris as PM was "just what the country needs" and how "we need the positivity he brings" Hmm I managed to contain my immediate rush of eye rolling and sighs and the temptation to think he was joking. As I said to him, as soon as we see things happening, unlike the Leave campaign which has produced nothing other than a broken society and country, then I'm all ears Grin.

I've got party bags to buy for now! Bridge dwellers seem to have dispersed at least!

Mistigri · 26/07/2019 12:39

I think ignoring “safe” seats would be a huge mistake. I live in the second safest Tory constituency in the country and the LibDem vote is surging here.

100% this. I do think that remain efforts need to be targeted not dispersed, but it would be mistake to ignore safe seats.

There are safe labour seats in London that can be won by the LDs, and Tory safe seats in the SE and SW where they have a fighting chance too. (And elsewhere in the country too probably but I don't have the data).

SistemaAddict · 26/07/2019 12:40

The bridge dwellers have decamped to another thread are giving Bellini and others grief.

HesterThrale · 26/07/2019 12:40

Justaboutdone Grin there are plenty of English, Welsh and Irish people who feel that way too!

Mistigri · 26/07/2019 12:44

Bercows some of us are having great fun over there. I'm particularly tickled by our factfree friend's declaration that 17.8 million people voted for Brexit to be "absolutely precise".

OhYouBadBadKitten · 26/07/2019 12:50

I got cross by their inability to accept that they don't have a grasp of even very basic arithmetic or logic.

Justaboutdone · 26/07/2019 12:51

@Mistigri we all know that are good at expanding the truth

Peregrina · 26/07/2019 12:57

A thought occurred to me - Johnson has just relaxed the immigration cap. Now what about those Leavers who post from time to time about how immigrants are taking our jobs while drawing benefits, and stopping us getting GP appointments and school places? This wasn't all Leavers, to be fair, but I would have expected one or two to come on and express disappointment with Johnson.

Hazardtired · 26/07/2019 13:04

Also lacking in languages so have no idea!

Only spiteful trolls could give bellini grief. She's measured, proactive in prepping for everything and helpful to others. Nice to see trolls off the the thread though....was starting to wish they'd use trigger warnings as some readers if they like logic may troll content distressing.

Hazardtired · 26/07/2019 13:05

May find troll content distressing*

I'm tired....

Mistigri · 26/07/2019 13:05

we all know that are good at expanding the truth

I thought she was just properly thick but she just went to a "lunchtime meeting" and right on cue, C&Poverinova popped up!

Peregrina · 26/07/2019 13:07

Urbanlife has clocked off, to be replaced by Clavinova and Coppersulphate. Which one was urbanlife?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 26/07/2019 13:07

That was hilarious Grin Do you think it's like a call centre thing?

Mistigri · 26/07/2019 13:08

Only spiteful trolls could give bellini grief

Yeah I agree with this. Plus Bellini has proper experience of hardship in an undemocratic society, she knows of what she speaks (even though we disagree sometimes).

They can give me grief all they like, as my engagement with leavers is basically just as a wind-up merchant taking pot shots on slow work days.

DGRossetti · 26/07/2019 13:09

A thought occurred to me - Johnson has just relaxed the immigration cap. Now what about those Leavers who post from time to time about how immigrants are taking our jobs while drawing benefits, and stopping us getting GP appointments and school places? This wasn't all Leavers, to be fair, but I would have expected one or two to come on and express disappointment with Johnson.

Fake news innit ?

If you're worshipping the deity Brexit, then like anyone who outsources their critical faculties to a 3rd party, you can happily live in a world of contradictions. Bit like anyone who claims to be devoted to a religion.

(Awaits a banhammer for something ....)

May just be coincidence, but this thread seems quite bot-free. I wonder if sprinkling some foreign words in was like holy water and vampires ?

Mistigri · 26/07/2019 13:14

I think they know they are wasting their time here and they can't compete with what must now be hundreds of thousands of reasoned posts.

This is why I don't really argue on other threads: I just pick out the stupidest of the stupidities, and pick holes in it. There have been some absolute classics this morning: German economy is in freefall (0.5% GDP growth), German car sales are plummeting (also 0.5% YTD growth), Chinese economy is collapsing (f/cast to grow 6% this year).

Oh yes and 17.8 people voted leave, and this is Absolutely Precise.

prettybird · 26/07/2019 13:16

Misti - but you wind them up with the Krytptonite of facts and relevant expertise Grin

Coppersulphate · 26/07/2019 13:19

Peregrina, I have not changed my username.
Have you?

tobee · 26/07/2019 13:22

You conjured they up now!!!Grin

Mistigri · 26/07/2019 13:23

Prettybird you don't need any expertise just a passing acquaintance with google. (Though as it happens both cars and China are areas I have a professional interest in).

dreichhighlands · 26/07/2019 13:25

What I genuinely don't really understand is why people who are convinced that hard Brexit is a good idea would concern themselves with people who don't.
They have BJ as PM and a hard right cabinet, they are very much in control at present.
Given they don't need to create change at present why aren't they off living their best lives somewhere instead of trying to argue with people that they must know aren't going to be convinced?

Mistigri · 26/07/2019 13:29

The presence of Leave shills is usually a sign that things aren't going well.

I think that they don't trust Boris.