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Westminstenders: On An Election Footing

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RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 16:22

Boris Johnson has set out his strategy.

He is challenging remain Tories to put their money where their mouth is, or to shut up.

His majority, soon to be just 1, is fragile but he intends to tough it out.

His Cabinet, is to all intents and purposes an ERG take over of the Tory Party, not unlike the Momentum take over of the Labour Party. And Johnson is looking to purge the party of its liberal wing, whilst pretending that he is liberal to make it acceptable to long term loyal Tories who might still waiver and merely vote for the rosette or like the veneer of respectability.

It has been made clear to Tory MPs that they will have to sign up to a No Deal Strategy should a snap election be called - or face the prospect of deselection. Disloyality will not be tolerated as Hunt's Cabinet backers all found out when they were sacked rather than be allowed to resign as Grayling was.

Instead Johnson reaped his revenge bringing back quitters and disgraced MPs as a deliberate 'fuck you' to moderates and remainers.

His message is clear and made all the clearer by the appointment of Dominic Cummings.

Today the Treasurery opened the piggie bank and told all departments to prepare for no deal. That is what is going to happen.

Parliament can not stop no deal. Johnson will drive it through regardless, even if its technically illegal. The default of no deal makes it an impossible juggernaught to stop without triggering a GE before the 31st October.

Technically speaking there are just 3 parliamentary days left this can be done.

And a GE is no guarentee of stopping no deal anyway. Cummings coming on board spells it out. Its a campaign strategy to reinvigourate the Leave Campaign and make all the promises that were made before. Of course there is no way of implimenting any of these before 31st October, so they just sound nice and people will believe them because they want to believe them. They want to trust and have hope for the future.

Yet with no trade deals and third party status, and crippling gridlock at ports and extra red tape for exporters and importers to deal with, it is inevitable that the economy will take a big hit. And Johnson's promises are expensive. His £39 billion he wants to withhold, is peanuts in the scheme of things and given what he is proposing.

The plan might sound nice, but it doesn't actually add up.

If we want a deal we will STILL have to sign up to conditions that Brussels sets out EVEN IF we no deal.

Meanwhile the US is ready and waiting to fleece us, because we aren't prepared to admit this and are too proud to see that this is a better option than have corporate American feast on the bones of the British economy.

Human Rights and Workers Rights are very much in the cross hairs with this. Health and Safety standards that have been set by London and then imposed on the EU will be burnt.

All the while the EU will be blamed for our own folly.

The worst thing is, people will actually buy it too.

Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse in this country, not because we lack optimism and hope, but because our egos are too big and we have been too idealist rather than recognising very real obstacles and finding ways to overcome than rather than just trying to ignore them. We will find out all those Paragraph Cs in good time the hard way because of the lack of attention to detail.

PFI and outsourcing will look like minor hiccups when the shit hits the fan.

I do hope that the puritians of the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats and the Remain Referendum Campaign are happy. This is also their mess. They have spent 3 years naval gazing and still don't understand nor know how to respond. This is where a General Election becomes a very real danger because they are clueless as to how to combat a reunited Leave campaign.

Be careful what you wish for going forward.

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urbanlife · 26/07/2019 13:35

Talk about reverse psychology! Of course it is shrills of great excitement, shame the same can not be said for you misti

Is this ALL you do all day, sit here and type endlessly soundbites Sad

urbanlife · 26/07/2019 13:36

You are on every thread to do with brexit all of the time. Don't you have anything else in your life?

tobee · 26/07/2019 13:37

It's all this frantic "Boris is here, it's all great now!" When nothing has actually happened of any concrete value. Hence remainers feel like it's listening to members of a cult. Hmm

tobee · 26/07/2019 13:38

I think @Mistigri said shill not shrill Grin

borntobequiet · 26/07/2019 13:38

Dearie me.

probstimeforanewname · 26/07/2019 13:39

Lieber ein Ende mit Schrecken als ein Schrecken ohne Ende

That's what my German boyfriend said to me when he ended our relationship! Nice wasn't he. Actually he wasn't an ar*ehole, but that was a pretty arsey thing to say. Anyway I digress.

I think ignoring “safe” seats would be a huge mistake. I live in the second safest Tory constituency in the country and the LibDem vote is surging here

I think I live in the safest seat (with an ERG-lite MP who is useless) and even an invasion of Zombies would not stop all the elderly ladies voting for a teddybear with a blue rosette on it (and our MP is definitely not cuddly).

probstimeforanewname · 26/07/2019 13:40

You are on every thread to do with brexit all of the time. Don't you have anything else in your life

So am I and yes I should be working right now (but I'm freelancing so as long as I meet my deadlines, all is good). Brexit is pretty important really, especially if we do have a crash out exit.

ListeningQuietly · 26/07/2019 13:41

Gluts of Tomatoes

  • green tomato chutney is good if blight threatens
Once they ripen, either make up sauce and freeze that or freeze them as cannonballs that can be cooked with all winter.
Oakenbeach · 26/07/2019 13:54

In Scotland, generally stand down to allow an SNP candidate to command the Remain vote in each constituency. (Maybe not East Dunbartonshire!)

I generally agree with your points with the strong exception of this one.... Forming an alliance with the SNP could well sway unionists to vote for the Tories - both in Scotland and the rest of the UK -on the basis that the Union of GB&NI is more important than the European Union. It might even make me think twice before supporting the “Unity” coalition. Also, the risk of Tories winning seats in Scotland with Boris Johnson as PM is minuscule... they’ll struggle to hold on to the one they have.

Also PC aren’t popular throughout Wales.... Their nationalism is far less strident than the SNPs and so a pact would be less dangerous, but a deal over Welsh seats needs to be far more nuanced.

QueenOfThorns · 26/07/2019 13:56

or freeze them as cannonballs that can be cooked with all winter.

Or used as actual cannonballs if we need to defend our property in the case of civil unrest? Sounds like a plan!

bellinisurge · 26/07/2019 13:57

"You are on every thread to do with brexit all of the time. Don't you have anything else in your life?"
Says @urbanlife . Oh the irony 😂😂😂😂

tobee · 26/07/2019 13:58

*Queen
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GrinGrinGrin

Mistigri · 26/07/2019 13:59

What I genuinely don't really understand is why people who are convinced that hard Brexit is a good idea would concern themselves with people who don't.

Because they are paid to do it, in many cases.

There is a genuine "no deal" constituency without a doubt, but with some genuine exceptions, there is not really much overlap with Mumsnet. Real life no-dealers are mostly older, often retired, not especially likely to be present on social media and parenting sites. The exceptions to this rule are alt-right types (overwhelmingly but not exclusively men; big overlap with football supporter and men's rights groups) and people who have a financial interest in this (whether formally remunerated or using it as a crowd funding opportunity).

NoCryingInEngineering · 26/07/2019 14:00

Tomato gluts

Pick a big bowl full. Slice an X into the bottom of each one. Boil a kettle of water and poor it into the bowl, leave for 2-3mins, then drain. Line a baking sheet with foil. Peel each tomato, chop in half and place on the baking sheet. When full shove the baking sheet in the freezer. Next morning scoop the tomato halfs off into a freezer box to add to pasta sauce when ever needed.

Mistigri · 26/07/2019 14:02

Gluts of Tomatoes

Green tomatoes picked from blighted or damaged plants can often be ripened in a closed drawer.

I started too late this year, due to other priorities (mainly insane workload and a severely ill DH) and have a total of 2 unripe tomatoes and one yellowish pepper.

The courgettes are making a bid to take over the garden though.

Oakenbeach · 26/07/2019 14:03

All this talk of extreme Brexiteers having taken over the Tory Government is overplayed. We need to distinguish between the:

Brexit hardliners (Raab, Mogg, Davis, Duncan Smith etc) who are content with a no-deal but actually showed their ability to compromise by voting for TM’s deal at the 3rd time or asking, and the

Brexit Ultras (Baker, Francois, Biffen, Cash etc) who actively want a no-deal and for whom any compromise is unacceptable. There are a couple
of dozen of these in the Tory ranks, making any regurgitated WA impossible to deliver without serious repercussions.

Interesting article showing how extreme they are!

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.indy100.com/article/brexit-news-mark-francois-juncker-bunker-bbc-newsnight-video-9021986%3famp

Butterymuffin · 26/07/2019 14:03

I sometimes wonder if Johnson always wanted to be PM and Brexit was just his method of getting there

Absolutely this. Hence his support for Brexit, not because he actually believes in it, but as his way of looking like the heroic outsider challenging the establishment (oh the irony). Which is why I thought it might not sit well with Cummings who ,I thought was a true die hard believer in the cause.

ListeningQuietly · 26/07/2019 14:06

Which is why I thought it might not sit well with Cummings who ,I thought was a true die hard believer in the cause.
Cummings is not a Brexiter
he is a nihilist
he just wants to break the system
and gives no thought to what should replace it

Grinchly · 26/07/2019 14:09

That's interesting, NoCrying. Does the freezing on the tray first stop them sticking together when placed in the container?

Reculons pour mieux sauter, mes amis Wink

Emilyontmoor · 26/07/2019 14:11

I am very sure that Mr Cummings is well aware of the political strategy of employing useful idiots as well as the populist playbook.....

tobee · 26/07/2019 14:11

Tomatoe Gluts? Sounds like a euphemism appropriate to this thread

Oakenbeach · 26/07/2019 14:12

Btw I meant Bridgen not Biffen (a Tory MP of yesteryear!)

NoCryingInEngineering · 26/07/2019 14:15

Pretty much yes Grinchly. They still stick a bit but you can pull out a few at a time. I prefer it to making blocks of sauce as it's more flexible & you don't need to unfreeze think in advance. You can just lob a few pieces in at the frying onions stage of making a sauce.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/07/2019 14:20

I knew I'd seen the original of that Sun pic somewhere .....

Westminstenders: On An Election Footing
Emilyontmoor · 26/07/2019 14:20

I will also be taking the leaves off my plants once the first fruits ripen to speed up the rest. I usually combine my gluts and freeze borlotti beans (the stars of my veg garden - so delicious fresh) in tomato and garlic sauce, and ratatouille with my tomatoes peppers, courgettes and aubergines or as it will be known post Brexit, Veg stew

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