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Westminstenders: Prime Minister Johnson

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RedToothBrush · 23/07/2019 22:58

It is actually happening.

By 5pm tomorrow Johnson should be Prime Minister, if nothing major goes wrong for him.

Phillip Hammond is expected to resign early in the morning. And there maybe others.

Parliament goes into recess on Thursday. Giving Johnson only enough time to announce a Cabinet and maybe give a brief statement in Parliament.

As it stands Johnson will have an effective majority of 1 if the Brecon by-election goes the way expected next week.

Unless someone else defects. Which isn't beyond the realms of possibility.

We also have Charlie Elphicke now suspended and facing a court appearance on 6th September, just 3 days after Parliament returns after the summer recess.

Remember when parliament returns Johnson must get a Queen's Speech vote to pass to start the new session.

The return of Parliament is 8 weeks before 31st October.

If Johnson can't pass a Queen's Speech... Is there time for a GE before 31st October? By the skin of our teeth? Or a crucial recall petition?

So for all the talk that parliament can we prevented from being prorogued or that we can get a deal by the 31st October, there is a GE shaped problem.

As for Johnson's plan for Brexit. Don't expect to see him say anything but waffly bollocks before that key Queens Speech vote. He can't. Instead expect lots of domestic promises - in part to distract, in part in prep for a possible snap election.

Of course to have an extension the Prime Minister needs to ask for it. Would a GE be enough to get one? And would we be granted one?

On the flip to that is the prospect of May's Deal. Much has been made of its death. But some have said its premature to say that. At the eleventh hour should the situation arise would parliament vote for it, backstop and all, to prevent no deal? Its not beyond the realms of possibility.

All the talk of Johnson driving a change of direction by the force of personality is nonsense. Johnson can use his personality domestically for support, but he his personality offers nothing to the EU.

On top of this all we have the Iran Oil Tanker Crisis. The US were alleged to have set us up, and now told us to look after our own tankers. Leaving us to look to Europe for international security cooperation in the area... Irony isn't lost.

Let us see what tomorrow might bring though...

Westminstenders: Prime Minister Johnson
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Songsofexperience · 24/07/2019 22:44

My ideal scenario:

  1. New Labour leader by sept
  2. Lab/ LibDem/ SNP/Plaid/Green alliance
  3. Smash the fascists!
HesterThrale · 24/07/2019 22:44

I thought the EU would grant an extension for an election??

Alsohuman · 24/07/2019 22:45

They’d have to be asked.

ListeningQuietly · 24/07/2019 22:46

Hester
They might have done for TM but for Mr Bendy Bananas there is no leeway.

RedToothBrush · 24/07/2019 22:46

It seems 10,000 people have joined the LibDems today. That gives me hope.

If you are looking to a woman who goes on about how much of a woman she is every five minutes, whilst being unable and unwilling to define woman, because she's scared of how her own party bullies will react if she points out the biological nature of sex rather than sexist stereotypes then boy you are more hopeful than me.

That's not leadership. That's cowardice and spinelessness.

If you think Jo Swinson is the answer to this, then really, we are truly fucked.

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prettybird · 24/07/2019 22:47

It's going to be an interesting battle of wits between JRM as Leader of the House and Bercow as Speaker Wink

RedToothBrush · 24/07/2019 22:47

Erskine May's favourite quoter gets leader of the House. Yep Rees-Mogg.

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derxa · 24/07/2019 22:47

I don't like any of you on here but I fear for my country.

NoWordForFluffy · 24/07/2019 22:48

The DUP agreement needs to be carried on too, doesn't it? It's going to be reviewed over the summer. That may get interesting, potentially.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dup-boris-tories-money-confidence-supply-agreement-billion-a9017681.html%3famp

BigChocFrenzy · 24/07/2019 22:49

Yep, if there is no VoNC by EOB 5th Sept,
then we are relying on BJ to be more scared of No Deal than of the ERG and the Faragists Confused

It looks over if we don't get 2 more Tory rebels voting against their govt, than Labour rebels voting for it

.... and that's assuming that Lexiter Corbyn wants a GE more than he wants Brexit Confused

RedToothBrush · 24/07/2019 22:49

My ideal scenario:
1. New Labour leader by sept
2. Lab/ LibDem/ SNP/Plaid/Green alliance
3. Smash the fascists!

You are about 3 years late with that wish list.

sigh

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Belindabelle · 24/07/2019 22:49

Nothing changes. JRM on Sky talking about his wife hosting dinner parties where Johnson was touted as leader. It might as well be 1819.

Alsohuman · 24/07/2019 22:49

Jo Swinson will keep us in the EU and prevent the excesses of the most far right government in living memory. That’s good enough for me. I’m a pragmatist.

RedToothBrush · 24/07/2019 22:51

So yes including tomorrow we have what 4 days when parliament is sitting to stop no deal by the look of it.

Should have supported May's deal...

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tobee · 24/07/2019 22:52

Oh ok derxa that's nice to know! Confused

BigChocFrenzy · 24/07/2019 22:53

Jo Swanson does not appear to possess a backbone
or much competence

and has far too few MPs to have much influence in this Parliament, at least

prettybird · 24/07/2019 22:53

It seems 10,000 people have joined the LibDems today. That gives me hope.

Reminds me of when the SNP surged to 120,000 after the Indyref Grin (and another surge after the EU Referendum) resulting in 56 out of 59 SNP MPs in 2015, with the SNP "breaking" the BBC's swingometer. Even though that reduced to a more realistic 35 in 2017 - that is still a majority of the Scottish MPs Grin

So stranger things have happened, especially in a FPTP system Shock. With Labour still being led by the numpty Corbyn, the skies the limit for the LibDems in England Grin

SistemaAddict · 24/07/2019 22:55

Aww derxa you ol' sweet talker you! We love you too.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/07/2019 22:55

Corbyn is the roadblock to avoiding No Deal
has been, all along
Maybe he'll wake up and do something, but he is too busy being dim

RedToothBrush · 24/07/2019 22:55

Jo Swinson will keep us in the EU and prevent the excesses of the most far right government in living memory. That’s good enough for me. I’m a pragmatist.

I'm a pragmatist... The hard line Remainers who didn't go for a deal are not pragmatists. They are idealists.

I'm a realist. Swinson doesn't read the room. She's reading what her bubble says.

She is someone else's puppet. Who is blinkered to rather a lot tbh.

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derxa · 24/07/2019 22:56

Should have supported May's deal... Why didn't you?

Lisette1940 · 24/07/2019 22:56

Husband just looked up leader of HOC on Wikipedia. Someone had typed in red under JRMogg's photo 'Literally a cucumber with googly eyes'. It's been removed now 😂

Carpediem1 · 24/07/2019 22:58

The great John Crace summing up a day which, even by recent standards, has plumbed new lows.... www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/24/boris-first-policy-unites-uk-by-blaming-half-the-country-for-our-problems

BigChocFrenzy · 24/07/2019 22:58

Lewis Goodall@lewis_goodall

JRM loves parliament and its traditions.
Still, can’t think of another Leader of the House willing to suspend it if it suits.

.......
UK Prime Minister@10DowningStreet

Jacob Rees-Mogg @JacobReesMogg has been appointed Lord President of the Council, and Leader of the House of Commons @CommonsLeader.

He will also attend Cabinet.

prettybird · 24/07/2019 22:59

You're more generous than me about Corbyn BCF Wink

I think he is too busy being a Lexiter and trying to pretend not to be Angry