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Westminstenders: Prime Minister Johnson

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RedToothBrush · 23/07/2019 22:58

It is actually happening.

By 5pm tomorrow Johnson should be Prime Minister, if nothing major goes wrong for him.

Phillip Hammond is expected to resign early in the morning. And there maybe others.

Parliament goes into recess on Thursday. Giving Johnson only enough time to announce a Cabinet and maybe give a brief statement in Parliament.

As it stands Johnson will have an effective majority of 1 if the Brecon by-election goes the way expected next week.

Unless someone else defects. Which isn't beyond the realms of possibility.

We also have Charlie Elphicke now suspended and facing a court appearance on 6th September, just 3 days after Parliament returns after the summer recess.

Remember when parliament returns Johnson must get a Queen's Speech vote to pass to start the new session.

The return of Parliament is 8 weeks before 31st October.

If Johnson can't pass a Queen's Speech... Is there time for a GE before 31st October? By the skin of our teeth? Or a crucial recall petition?

So for all the talk that parliament can we prevented from being prorogued or that we can get a deal by the 31st October, there is a GE shaped problem.

As for Johnson's plan for Brexit. Don't expect to see him say anything but waffly bollocks before that key Queens Speech vote. He can't. Instead expect lots of domestic promises - in part to distract, in part in prep for a possible snap election.

Of course to have an extension the Prime Minister needs to ask for it. Would a GE be enough to get one? And would we be granted one?

On the flip to that is the prospect of May's Deal. Much has been made of its death. But some have said its premature to say that. At the eleventh hour should the situation arise would parliament vote for it, backstop and all, to prevent no deal? Its not beyond the realms of possibility.

All the talk of Johnson driving a change of direction by the force of personality is nonsense. Johnson can use his personality domestically for support, but he his personality offers nothing to the EU.

On top of this all we have the Iran Oil Tanker Crisis. The US were alleged to have set us up, and now told us to look after our own tankers. Leaving us to look to Europe for international security cooperation in the area... Irony isn't lost.

Let us see what tomorrow might bring though...

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BigChocFrenzy · 24/07/2019 21:46

Stephen Barclay remains as Brexit secretary
He is delusional enough for BJ

derxa · 24/07/2019 21:47

Come back Theresa all is forgiven! Well if everyone had backed her none of this would have happened.

NoWordForFluffy · 24/07/2019 21:49

Is this 31st Oct departure come what may spiel trying to scare people into agreeing the WA (with a comma moved), or is it all about pandering to the ERG et al?

It's motive I'm interested in. It's curious.

And now we need to see how many people judge his mood, stew over summer, then cross the house at the first chance in September. I think there may be fireworks when the next session opens.

RedToothBrush · 24/07/2019 21:51

Imagine being a Remain Tory MP who was under the impression Johnson would go for a soft option and backed him for that reason as you saw him putting this cabinet together. It's every Tory May gave the boot or was forced to resign. When is David Davis appearing?

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Justaboutdone · 24/07/2019 21:51

Corbyn is a few months. Brexit is a life time.

Despite thinking Corbyn is the worst Labour Leader ever, I still he would be better than Johnson.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/07/2019 21:52

Yep, Brexit would be BRINO at most, if Trump hadn't been elected
(Probably any other POTUS would have slapped Cameron around the head and told him Brexit was off the menu)

but the importance of Corbyn must be stressed too:

he is the bogeyman who prevents a much larger Tory moderate rebellion of probably 80 v unhappy Remainers
We'd be lucky now to see 8 actually voting down BJ

dreichhighlands · 24/07/2019 21:52

derxa It is those that were most disloyal to May that are being most rewarded.
They gambled and they may yet win regardless of how pyrrhic their victory ends up being.

RedToothBrush · 24/07/2019 21:53

Is this 31st Oct departure come what may spiel trying to scare people into agreeing the WA (with a comma moved), or is it all about pandering to the ERG et al?

No its a full on ERG take over. No pandering... No deal is the plan.

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BigChocFrenzy · 24/07/2019 21:54

DD - and IDS
Hopefully they won't be late additions to a DexEU Dream Team

The80sweregreat · 24/07/2019 21:55

I do wish the Labour Party would just get on and have a new leader installed : soon.
The tories are running rough shod and nobody can do anything.
J C is enabling them by not being strong enough to stop the worst of it. They need new blood and someone to call out their behaviour and be a credible opposition. It's all just going one way.

LauraKsWhiteCoat · 24/07/2019 21:56

I'm late to the party... but wow. He threw Hunt under a bus didn't he?! I didn't see that coming.

Belindabelle · 24/07/2019 21:57

Looks like Larry the cat is looking for someone to take him home sitting outside No10 in front of all the cameras.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/07/2019 21:57

Yep, No Deal is the Cunning Plan

The recent "Alternative Arrangements" report on NI is so they can blame the EU for the conseqences

Iambuffy · 24/07/2019 21:57

Corbyn wants no deal too.

We are so so fucked

NoWordForFluffy · 24/07/2019 21:57

No its a full on ERG take over. No pandering... No deal is the plan.

But why, when Johnson isn't really a leaver.

It honestly makes no sense to me.

But it will definitely get interesting in September. And I think when faced with no deal, far more Tory moderates will actually vote against the government than you think, BCF.

Is there actually any intention to even pretend to try to get the WA through, or is this literally full pelt to no deal?

Why is the governing party populated by selfish cunts?

QueenMabby · 24/07/2019 21:59

I’m not a fan of the man but can someone explain why JC is such a bogeyman to the Tories?? Thx.

MmeBufo · 24/07/2019 21:59

Red is on the money as always

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LisaMontgomery · 24/07/2019 21:59

But why, when Johnson isn't really a leaver.

Because it is his best chance of holding on to power.

Justaboutdone · 24/07/2019 21:59

Surely bojo should be shattered now.

It’s been a long day for him and he’s not used to actually working.

Belindabelle · 24/07/2019 22:00

I am really shocked.

Well it’s back to Costco and time to start stockpiling again.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/07/2019 22:00

Did the shameless brown-nosing work in time ?

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=mobile.twitter.com/peterwalker99" target="_blank">Peter Walkerr<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=mobile.twitter.com/peterwalker99" target="_blank">@peterwalker99

No news yet on Amber Rudd,

which means she's either survived the cull or else she's sat in a pub beer garden with her phone switched off.

tobee · 24/07/2019 22:01

Because he wanted t be PM more than anything Fluffy.

I was just remembering, while watering the garden, that some Johnson flunky was supposed to have said Johnson would be love bombing those MPs that opposed him. Well that's not happening, is it? Hmm

Iambuffy · 24/07/2019 22:01

Back to stockpiling I guess....

Alsohuman · 24/07/2019 22:01

@BigChocFrenzy, eight would be enough, his majority is two, it could go down to one next month. 17 former cabinet ministers are now on the back benches, plenty to bring him down.

georgedawes · 24/07/2019 22:02

What I can't figure out is when he is planning a general election - before 31st Oct or after?

The opposition parties need to get their houses in order and stand aside where necessary.