All threads in brexit seem to anti brexit? Mn is usually balanced... Were are pro b threads?

[Knittedjimmychoos]

Looking for some lighter brexit relief by fellow leavers... Every thread I've glanced at seems to be dominated by renainers?

Is there any space for leaver on here?

Just interested... I wanted to chat...

If the PM thinks she wouldn't win, why would she rerun it , JC also said the same....
Cripes your demanding something that would reinforce the result you don't want...

You have a strange habit of believing everything politicians say 100%.

By the way, Labour hasn't had a change of leader since the Referendum, and the leadership change for the Lib Dems isn't complete yet.

If the PM thinks she wouldn't win, why would she rerun it
This is the woman who thought she would win the 2017 election with a massive majority and we know what happened there. Another great argument there, mummy.

Well mummy given that at the time of the initial referendum we were told:

Easiest deal in history
No threat to the common market
The NHS will be rolling in it
They need us blah blah blah

To......

We don’t need trade deals anyway
Oh, we’ve got to actually sell the NHS
We’ll all be poorer as our £ will plummet

And the U.K. is probably history.

So why would a far worse situation attract more support?

You have a strange habit of believing everything politicians say 100%.

See also "clever knowledgeable people we pay to do stuff" who thus make it unnecessary for the Great Willy to exert any effort apart from scrawling an X occasionally.

Unless they say something heretical against Brexitism. Then they're lying fools who know nothing, unlike the Great Willy who are then the fount of wisdom.

What is most stupid about this thread is that people should hold politicians to account for what they promise. Not defend them when they can't deliver.

Because people want a change....
People voted for change.
Just like when Blair was voted in and the UK went in a different direction.
Politicians ignored people's worries and needs to the point they said sod it anything has to be better than we have , but in such numbers and DC total miss read public feelings.
Pretty much like this thread, you feel your thoughts are the only logical way to go, but the general public don't agree with you .

We don't actually know what the general public want. We just know what they wanted in 2016. If a week is a long time in politics, 3 years is an eternity.

*mummmy2017

Because people want a change....
People voted for change*

How does that relate to politicians not being able to deliver what they promised?

You can still want change (for changes sake) and hold politicians to account. Your arguments make zero sense. Unless you don't care what politicians promise you.

Could you try to use some rationale?

Mummy, I can’t be bothered anymore. You’re harping on about echo chambers but you’ve clearly spent too much time on the mail/express comments section and perhaps in the company of the 100 people you persuaded to vote leave and you’re talking as if you know exactly how the country feels when clearly you are extremely confused, angry and deluded.

You want change (for the sake of it) and you arent the least bit perturbed that we are still in the EU despite the fact you wanted change at least 3 and a bit years ago?

Did you listen to the Leave canpaigners before you voted and did that away your vote? Or were already adamant you were going to vote leave regardless?

Sway*

Sorry for the typos

I knew I was going to vote leave the second DC offered it.
Was shocked and pleased when we won.
For god's sake, we sit having had May change the date simply to try and force us to vote how she wanted....she got kicked out, someone who said they will take us out is about to walk into number 10, and still you can't face the fact it will happen...

People voted for Blair because they wanted change, but he did publish a Manifesto beforehand.

You can't face the fsct that you can't justify your stupidity.

Leave may have won, marginally, but it was a phyric victory.

When people vote in the highest numbers ever to do something, does that not say that they are trying to tell you something.

I'm not a saw loser, my saw is most definitely in the shed next to the other tools.

I'm not a sore loser either, as we're not out of the EU yet.

The EU say they are ready for no deal.

I also think away from the news papers, these things are already in place, but where are the headlines in saying that

.... Mummy2017 doesn't seem to realise that the reason that the EU doesn't take the No Deal threat from the UK seriously is that while the EU is ready and has made the necessary preparations for a No Deal Brexit, the UK has not

Source: Frans Timmermans, Vice-President of EU Commission.

The UK might now be making some preparations (for example, the special express ferries that have been contracted to bring in medicines) but it is too little, too late. It is the bare minimum to keep basic functions operating and to hopefully prevent deaths. In peace time Self-inflicted But this is the will of some of the people

BTW - I find it hilarious and shocking in equal measure that Mummy is so ignorant that she doesn't know who the OBR and complains that the forecast of a £30 billion best case scenario cost of No Deal Brexit is because it has "an agenda"

It wasn't the highest numbers ever, the turn out was smaller than every election between 1945 and 1992.

Conflating a binary vote with elections isn't accurate.

{When people vote in the highest numbers ever to do something, does that not say that they are trying to tell you something.}

Well yes, but there are 17.4 million versions of 'Brexit' you have to define it otherwise it cannot be delivered.
Your definition of Brexit is different to every one of them. Will you accept your neighbour's version of Brexit and if not, what are you going to do about it? Deals HAVE to be done. Even 'No deal' means a deal has to be done because there are legal treaties binding the UK to the EU, around 700 of them, and every single one will need renegotiation. To do just one a day, would take over 2 years and as they will need full legal scrutiny, there is no way they could be processed at that rate.

Having done month end accounts pre children for a very large company, I know about budgets and how you can mail be figures around to say pretty much Ch what ever you like .
The fact these figures are also forecasts and not actual receipts means you can tilt them any way you like to say what ever you want ....

Someone doesn't understand economics.

1tisILeClerc, yes I totally agree with you...
But that does not mean we just stop, because you say it's too hard...
There will be compromises and allowances, and agreements parceled together, that will then be sorted as we go, as things unfold ...

PMSL ..
Forecasts can be wrong ...

I love the way you equate doing month end accounts with actually being an expert on international economic relations.

You never did reply to the point about the Office for Budget Responsibility (a government organisation created by the Tories) not being a random organisation with an anti-Brexit agenda as you were accusing them of being.