Westminstenders: It couldn't get any worse... Until today

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We are trapped in the tailspin of the end of the UK. Firmly headed downward and getting more and more frenzied and desperate.

Even the most sensible of types like David Allen Green have finally noticed that Brexit isn't about leaving the EU it's about the frenzied and wilful destruction of our state instutions and structure. The collapse of the civil service, of our justice system, our democratic institutions and social order. All in the name of rule Britannia, a warped sense of taking back control to preserve an ideal that never existed and an idea of sovereignity that simply was a fantasy.

We move ever closer to Johnson becoming Prime Minister and a life under President Trump.

Joy.

Ode to Joy really isn't that bad.

@DGRossetti, what's next after the chaotic phase?

I am gritting my teeth and waiting for Johnson to win at the moment. My personal hope is that his tenure will be brief with a Vote of No Confidence passed. It's the one thing I think Labour will go for and it's already being talked about by appalled Tories.

LOL, love how some of the folks on here literally want us to be run by the EU!

The death penalty isn't mandatory in the US. Just doesn't contravene the 8th amendment. Since the UK has recently decided that pimping out 17 year old girls for the police is OK, it's unlikely we'll have any problems with that anyway.

As regards the CMM - it was briefly touted across GEC in the late 90s. Basically they'd started losing contracts in the US, as the DoD had a policy of not buying from companies that weren't CMM5. So GEC decided to implement it across all their subsidiaries. Until someone pointed out that an hour a week is far to much to invest in staff training, and it got dropped.

You can Google it, I'm sure (if it's still used) but the idea was to improve efficiency by clearly delineating inputs and outputs between departments and teams with the aim of being able to repeatedly quote and deliver projects. You had various stages, but the start was to document what you did (because you invariably discovered no one had) then you started working to the documents and connecting teams and departments until there was a clear process flow through the company.

20 years on, and I can type that from memory. I really should have gone into sales. It's a shame I hate people.

@LouiseCollins28 after the shitshow of the last three years, being ruled by a decent calibre of statesmen actually appeals. It's not as though the wider populace is getting any choice over the next PM.

As it stands, we are going to be ruled by Trump-as-proxy.

Ah yes, I can just envisage it: a referendum on "Shall we apply to be the 51st State?" The vote is for yes, and then the numpties start complaining "we didn't know it meant the abolition of the monarchy." The rest they would probably be happy with.

LOL, love how some of the folks on here literally want us to be run by the US!

"LOL, love how some of the folks on here literally want us to be run by the EU!"
Not sure what that is based on but I for one just want a grown up in charge, working with other grown ups. Even if I don't agree with them. Theresa May was a grown up. Jeremy Hunt is a grown up. I disagree with them fundamentally on pretty much everything but I respect their maturity.
What is it about this dreadful mess we are in that makes people think petulance and immaturity is what we need to make it better

LOL, love how some of the folks on here literally want us to be run by the EU!

Id be happy to be part of Shengen and the Euro tbh

"Shall we apply to be the 51st State?"

Doesn't work like that. From memory, we become a territory and can send observers to Congress. Then we'd have to align our laws with the constitution, and accept the dollar and federal reserve managing our economy (scope for loads of job cuts there - we could lose a whole layer of civil servants). Finally we could apply and Congress would vote - which isn't a given. Not sure California or Texas would be so keen to have such a big "state" as the UK - also New York might be sniffy, since we'd be bringing in 80? new representatives ?

We'd have to put the armed forces under US command, and servicemen would have to swear the oath of allegiance.

But before all of that we'd have to dump the monarchy. The constitution explicitly forbids it.

Oh, and all honours would be meaningless - the US doesn't do anything royal.

It may not be what the Brexiteers wanted. But - as Mick Jagger pointed out - You can't always get what you want

Roll back the carpets Westminstenders ! Let it bleed

{I'd be happy to be part of Shengen and the Euro}

Well if you can 'get over' the Euro not being a good British Pound, the reality is it is just currency, and it disappears just as fast.
Schengen for the majority of people doing ordinary stuff is again no 'biggie' but it saves having to wave a passport or ID at some borders.
There are of course deeper legal implications of both but in most 'real life' activities no problem.

There is also the aspect that the EU doesn't actually 'run' any country, in that they all sovereign.

There is also the aspect that the EU doesn't actually 'run' any country, in that they all sovereign.

Unlike the US, which decided emphatically (and a tad over dramatically) that states aren't sovereign entities. Unlike the Lisbon treaty, the Constitution has no Article 50. Maybe an "Article 5 million dead" - but that's for another thread.

Just listened to Richard Tice - Brexit MEP on Newsnight (catch-up). What an ignorant and ridiculous twat.

Isn't Tice an entrepreneur in the same way as Trump and Kushner? He was born with a silver spoon. Now 'cos of the times, richboy had power 'cos he can fund it.

It is good to see people like Simon McDonald standing with Darroch. Darroch didn't insult or badmouth anyone. His language (in his supposedly closed communications) was chosen carefully. Unlike the 'stupid' and 'wacky' ad hominem attacks publicly directed at him. The world has turned upside down.

I must admit, I like S. McD as I occasionally dip into Palmerston Diplomog. I'm attracted to the lowbrow, I am.

Glad you're still keeping a watchful eye Louise.

As most Brexiteers pedalled the complete myth we were run by the EU previously, I don't see a difference with actually pursuing a route where chosen experienced EU politicians really do have an advisory role.

Given a choice between Trump and Tusk advising on for example our appointment of senior civil servants I'd choose someone like Tusk. EU politicians involved in Brexit have loads of experience and a intelligent insights into how the U.K. works ( or doesn't). By contrast Trump has scant knowledge of the detail of how the U.K. works and even had to be briefed on which century saw airports come into existence.

We could have an actual supervisory EU rescue committee based at Westminster. I've said before that the problem with advocating remain is that arguing for the status quo is tactically difficult. You need a more extreme stance so there can be some compromise in the middle.

I genuinely think a panel of experienced overseas politicians acting a bit like non execs would be great- not as a member of the executive management team but in an advisory capacity. After all the more right wing Tories rely on far less prestigious foreign political advisers such as Sir Lynton Keith Crosby who flits around right wing parties in several countries but hasn't actually run a country like Tusk for example.

Not that S. McD is lowbrow. I am.

Rather curiously DG that same Stones number is part of Mr Trump's campaign music?! Seriously, it really is. Got a great sense of humour has our Donnie

{Got a great sense of humour has our Donnie}

That is as maybe, but the world needs the POTUS to have a degree of wisdom too.
Close mouth and engage brain before opening it again to speak.

Rather curiously DG that same Stones number is part of Mr Trump's campaign music?!

Only because Mick Jaggers getting paid for it. Besides, the lyrics aren't very Trumpy - much like "Born in the USA" was not the love-letter to America that the Republican party mistook it to be. Generally the more to the right you are, the less appreciation you have for the aesthetic. I dislike sweeping statements, but I'll stand by that one.

If Trump needs a Stones tune, I'm sure they'd let him have "Cocksucker Blues" for free. After all, it's what they played when Washington took Yorktown, I believe. Just after the laser show.

"Shall we apply to be the 51st State?"

Doesn't work like that.

"Shall we leave the EU?"
Doesn't work like that But of course, we must do that, and implement as many mutually contradictory ideas as we can.

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Tommy Robinson has been jailed!

That’s what I call a good news and well deserved.
I wonder if that’s why he was looking to claim asylum in the US

Personally I have a desire to be governed by someone competent.

That currently isn't the UK government nor the US government.

Does that leave the EU as the best option? Not sure I'd go that far but I certainly understand why people might desire it given the performance of Westminster over the last 3 years.

{Tommy Robinson has been jailed!}

Only for 10 weeks though.

He was jailed for 10 weeks the first time. This time it's 6 months.... (I would have been happy with more tbh)

After all, it's what they played when Washington took Yorktown, I believe. Just after the laser show.

(the laser show sponsored by Apple!)