Westminstenders: It couldn't get any worse... Until today

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We are trapped in the tailspin of the end of the UK. Firmly headed downward and getting more and more frenzied and desperate.

Even the most sensible of types like David Allen Green have finally noticed that Brexit isn't about leaving the EU it's about the frenzied and wilful destruction of our state instutions and structure. The collapse of the civil service, of our justice system, our democratic institutions and social order. All in the name of rule Britannia, a warped sense of taking back control to preserve an ideal that never existed and an idea of sovereignity that simply was a fantasy.

We move ever closer to Johnson becoming Prime Minister and a life under President Trump.

Joy.

Ode to Joy really isn't that bad.

Yeah, that doesn’t surprise me bigchoc

As in, it sounds much better in France and Germany. We seem to want to emulate the states in the UK. The long hours for no reason culture particularly does my head in.

I just don’t understand. I’ve never been a Tory but I assumed that while we’d disagree on a lot of things, they’d be as invested as me in ensuring we have a functioning democracy, fair laws and and effective government that isn’t hobbled by foreign powers. But it looks like I was wrong.

Just a post script on the Kim Darroch thing. He can't have taken legal advice. If he waited to be actually sacked then he'd be in line to claim a significant compensation payment surely?

I suppose he could claim that a representative of his employer (and future boss) showed such lack of confidence in him that it undermined the relationship.
He was effectively constructively unfairly dismissed because he left in response to Johnson's threatened (?) breach of contract?

But he has “just” resigned to his post, not left civil service....he can still work somewhere else, his pay surely is the same, the perk being away from that disgusting bully of Trump and possibly cushioned from further blows from British politicians....

PMK -

^Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.^

From 'The Second Coming'
W.B. Yeats

Excuse me if it's been said but why would trump want rid of Darroch? Just a temper tantrum or more calculated than that?

Trump wanted rid of Darroch so that Johnson could put a sycophantic Brexiter in, and probably not even a Diplomat, but a paid up Brexiter. I won't say 'businessman' because Tory support for business has gone out of the window.

Laughing at the idea of Isabel Oakeshott going to prison to protect her sources - she hung Vicky Pryce out to dry immediately when she wrote about Chris Huhne's speeding based on VP's anonymous testimony - she could have quite credibly refused to reveal her identity in that case but she caved instantly .

It's good to think the UK is being trashed so that essentially half a dozen guys, with some hangers on, can play 'whose got the biggest willy'.

Oakeshott might however regard Johnson as more important than Vicky Price, although I doubt whether even she thinks he's worth risking a prison sentence for.

In yesterday Newsnight they interviewed a few people including a ranting brexit party member who started blaming him from speaking badly of our best ally and this and that and how scandalous that he took his time before resigning...he was totally looking at the situation from a skewed (sick) perspective, it was really telling...

speaking badly of our best ally

I thought making a career out of speaking badly of our best ally (over three decades) was rewarded with the most prestigious job in the land.

(Also I didn't realise Darroch had only resigned his post and not his job thanks for the explanation up thread.)

cherin - That was Richard Tice, Brexit party MEP. It was revolting to watch, wasn't it. Didn't seem to understand the roll of ambassadors at all.

It really was disgusting...and farron’s (? I’m really bad with names!) defence of BJ was on a similar level....not helping just before bedtime...

Isn't Richard Tice a millionaire entrepreneur? So looking at Brexit purely as a personal business opportunity - which a US trade deal will no doubt afford him.

Out of the many aspects of Brexit madness, this is possibly one of the more worrying.
From Guardian Opinion section:
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/10/after-kim-darroch-britain-risks-becoming-vassal-to-united-states

In a way, the 'spat' with the EU is less important, as there are so many UK in EU and vice versa that there will always be a way forward and most is based on personal friendship, not political hogwash.

I have to assume that Leavers don't mind being a US vassal state because they haven't complained. So much for 'sovereignty' which they never did/could define anyway.

I think a lot of right wing types have wanted is to be more like/closer to the US for years. Their dreams are finally coming true.

I love spending time there but I really wouldn’t want to live with their massive inequality and lack of state support and the risk your life could be ruined by medical bills.

I've just been to DD's Y1 concert where 120 mostly-6 year olds were singing and BSL-signing along to A Million Dreams and it's made me upset and angry in equal measure as what hope have these kids got if Boris, Trump et al get their desires.

All of their types are selfish, irresponsible fucks. How dare they ruin a country for their own personal gain? It should be a criminal offence to do what they're doing. Bring back the Tower (I imagine Brenda wishes she could right now).

I think a lot of right wing types have wanted is to be more like/closer to the US for years. Their dreams are finally coming true.

OK, let's do it properly then. Scrap the monarchy (US recognises no Monarch), introduce the constitution (might have to cover up the bits that call the British "tyrants" of course) with all it's provisions. Starting with free speech, bearing arms, not quartering soldiers, protection of privacy, and prohibition on self incrimination (I think that's the first 5 in order). Scotlands big chance would be to be admitted as it's own state which might help, as each state gets 2 senators, so the UK could potentially deliver 8 new senate seats. England would still return more representatives though. Mapping the New Tory Party onto the GOP is simply a paint job. Labour might struggle to identify with Democrats though.

Who's with me ?

This is a really interesting post from the House of Commons Library ‘insights’ page

Part of the problem we've stored up for ourselves as a country is to have relied for too long on unelected positions of power. As we now see they either don't feel they can intervene against a democratic referendum, or have realised it's too late.

It's partially what a lot of people agitating for a republic highlighted years ago.

Someone, somewhere appears to have pressed some sort of "reboot" button on the UK. So far it looks all Brexit-friendly, but I have a suspicion that ultimately, it will devour them as well. The best we can hope for is that it happens without violence. For anyone who knows the Capability-Maturity-Model (you can tell I've been on some zingers of courses over the years) we're currently in the "chaotic" phase of events.

I'm with you DGR.

Long ago I proposed a proper EU administrative supervision. As so many of our ruling politicians are floundering incompetents. Bringing in a sort of non exec director and supervisory committee with loads of ministerial experience like Tusk would suit me.However I accept the country aren't with me on that so let's do the US thing properly.

Bring in a US senate system. Let's become a federal republic with the first President B. Johnson, we'd need the congress thing , those biased political judges in federal courts, ooohh and the death penalty, two chambers of Congress, House of representatives etc. At least I'd understand the US system then. Retire the whole William/Kate/Meghan/Harry circus. Swap the with Union Jack for the Stars and Stripes - let's do the whole shebang. We could do that standing with our hand on our heart thing. That's what the Brexit brigade want- let's give them it!