Just how exactly are we going to 'bring the country back together'?

[KennDodd]

Both candidates for PM have claimed they can do this. I heard a Tory party member interviewed on the radio saying that the best way to do this was a 'no deal/WTO/crash out because we'll all be in it together and it'll be like the war'.
I don't know how these wounds are going to heal.

This is what the single market is, this is what it does, this is what it doesn't do.
This is what the customs union is, this is what it does, this is what it doesn't do.
This is what the WTO is, this is what it does, this is what it doesn't do.
Good Friday Agreement and so on.

All this information was put into the public domain pre referendum, it was either dismissed as unimportant or labelled project fear as leclerc says.

It is the fault of individual voters for not bothering to do their research.

There's no chance of me 'coming together' for the Glory of Brexitannia. And I rather doubt any Leavers will be happily 'coming together' with Remainers either.

@InTheHeatofLisbon
Most people I know had never even heard of the WTO or GFA until AFTER the referendum. How do you know to research something if you don't even know that thing exists. Besides, most people I know did zero actual research other than headlines in the tabloids and watching telly (and not Newsnight etc). If they a one page leaflet giving them factual information, not predictions of what might happen, some people might have read it.

I have said all along this should never have been put to a public vote, the burden of research we had to do was far beyond what is reasonable to expect, we're just not well informed or clever enough and I think those who think they are (unless they're experts) definitely aren't clever enough.

There is no coming together. The division is just going to get wider until something catastrophic happens. The trigger will be food shortages.

Most people I know had never even heard of the WTO or GFA until AFTER the referendum

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that tbh.

They voted without doing research, and are now crapping themselves at the reality.

Nobody to blame but themselves.

Seriously, had never heard of the GFA? That's mind boggling. It's one of (if not the most) important pieces of legislation in the 20th century. It was and is groundbreaking, and proof that people at a huge sacrifice made the effort to bring peace.

That people didn't recognise or know about it is thoroughly depressing.

Seriously, had never heard of the GFA?

I met a farmer last month who said I was the only person he'd ever met who'd had any idea the border in Ireland could be an issue before the vote.

They voted without doing research, and are now crapping themselves at the reality

But they're not crapping themselves because they STILL haven't done the research.

I met a farmer last month who said I was the only person he'd ever met who'd had any idea the border in Ireland could be an issue before the vote.

I'm genuinely horrified by that. It was all over the news, it was being widely discussed in print, online and on TV. How can people be so ignorant?

But they're not crapping themselves because they STILL haven't done the research

Fair point. Reality will kick in pretty quickly when they're hungry though eh? And skintm

InTheHeatofLisbon
I don't know how well informed your social circle is but do a little vox pox of the people you know and see how many say they knew (or know) how the EU is structured and what these things are. My social circle of well educated middle class people and poorly educated working class people had very little knowledge.

It was all over the news (GFA)

It wasn't, Nigel Farage did a very good job of shutting down all discussion of this saying that it was a threat of violence.

KennDodd I'm old enough to remember the Troubles, spent a lot of time in NI both before and after the GFA and remember it happening and being excited for the future.

If anyone listened to Nigel Farage they're a fucking idiot. It really is that simple, he's an odious little man with nefarious intentions.

Also, in Scotland it was widely discussed and considered without letting far right politicians shut it down.

Farage did shut it down because he knew it was the flaw in his beautiful future argument. And the BBC etc let him get away with it. I remember being shouted down (unsuccessfully ) on here for mentioning it before the referendum.
Which is still no excuse for people not researching it and considering the problem.

Anyone who lived during the times of 'The troubles', either living under them in NI or seeing the effects of almost daily bombings, shootings or scares for years should have known about the GFA. Suppression of the fact that it was still continuing (presumably still is to some degree) in the news in the rest of the UK may mean that it is not in the public's eye.
The weird shenanigans of having Gerry Adams's voice overdubbed whenever he was speaking in a news bulletin.

Not knowing about the WTO and it's implications is rather more forgivable as it is very complicated, and the fact that many in the ERG are happy to trot out some aspects that look appealing, like reducing tariffs to zero, strangely forget to mention that due to the WTO rules all tariffs for that commodity have to be the same, thus killing off UK producers.

Which is still no excuse for people not researching it

But you have to know it exists to research it. I bet it was never discussed in any of the tabloids or on Loose Women or the One Show. People are generally very uninterested in politics. I think what IS unforgivable is how I'll informed our politicians campaigning for this were, they've said as much since, Raab didn't even know where Dover was ffs. David Davis saying he had underestimated the complexities, a nd who was it who didn't know the difference between the SM and CU?

I've heard lots of speculation that Teresa May even got the wrong court. She wanted to leave the ECHR (said exactly that early one) maybe not realising it's not an EU institution.

what else can they do?

That is exactly BJ's argument, btw (I had a boring task to do yesterday & listened to the entire Conservative Husting)

BJ says those words for why the HoC will support him. Hunt & BJ cite that argument for why the EU will finally "give UK a good deal" when Uk makes clear true resolve to proceed with no Deal.

Brexitcast is good, saying that the Brussels perspective is what I suspected; Brussels is laid back about entire palava, expecting UK to come crawling back for a deal, any deal, pretty fast after crashing out.

Personally, I think the idea that DUP & ERG will start making compromises is laughable. Like those who insist that "No Deal mustn't be taken off the table!" DUP & ERG actually believe there is strength in self-destructive plans.

It was Esther McVey, who didn't know what the SM and CU are until very recently.

Sorry @KennDodd . I disagree. I'm in my fifties. I grew up with The Troubles on the telly and , to an extent, in my life - I live in NW England, my Mum was Irish. Anyone over 40 should know about it and should be able to tell their kids about it.
No excuse.

I bet it was never discussed in any of the tabloids

It was. I don't watch Loose Women or the One Show but if people need their politics to be hashed out by the Loose Women before taking us over a cliff edge, they bloody well deserve to go over headfirst!

Leavers now absolving themselves of responsibility by wailing "but we didn't know" is pathetic. We knew. It's why we voted to remain. The fact you didn't is down to your own ignorance.

There was MN thread in early 2017 with title something like "I really think Northern Ireland situation is going to stop Brexit."

I want to thank the MNer who started that thread. Was the thread in Chat and long gone? It was the first time I ever learned Norn was important in Brexit situation (in spite of following politics fairly avidly for decades).

Leavers now absolving themselves of responsibility by wailing "but we didn't know" is pathetic

But they're not, or not what I've heard. All I've heard them say is that 'they knew what they voted for'.

I've heard a few claiming they didn't know about the GFA or the implications on trade, the economy and the general welfare of the UK. You've said yourself that many you know didn't know, so which is it?

What I don’t understand is, if leaving the EU is going to be so bad for the UK, why are politicians still going full steam ahead with Brexit? Why don’t they just say ‘we’ve tried, but it’s just too hard to leave the EU without causing mayhem’
I mean, all the remainers on here are super confident that leaving will be terrible ( you appear to have plenty of evidence to support this ) so why are we leaving?

The ‘wounds’ were there long before brexit. One half of the country is profiting from the current system and refuse to acknowledge how badly it fails the other half. That’s the wound. Has pretty much nothing to do with brexit.