Just how exactly are we going to 'bring the country back together'?

[KennDodd]

Both candidates for PM have claimed they can do this. I heard a Tory party member interviewed on the radio saying that the best way to do this was a 'no deal/WTO/crash out because we'll all be in it together and it'll be like the war'.
I don't know how these wounds are going to heal.

I meant above that I'm 'better off' not having the Leave negativity, xenophobia and spitefulness in my life. (yeah, yeah. Not all Leavers. Just all the ones I know).

I don't mean I'm better off financially. Just to clarify.

Scottish Labour are pretty shit at the moment too, and the carpetbagger Richard Leonard is part of it. They're red Tories.

All the current EU member states (including Spain who have changed their position since the Catalan vote) have said they wouldn't block Scotland joining the EU

Saying is one thing delivering is another. Sometimes wonder if the EU is sending out signals to Scotland about rejoining the EU is an attempt to further divide the UK in the hope to thwart Brexit.
Remember Cameron saying Scotland should not vote for independence from UK is they want to remain in the EU?

If Scotland wants to rejoin the EU then obviously EU will want something in return. What will Scotland put on the table?

Guess there will have to be a hard border between England and Scotland?

It's a bit of a leap to say that the decline in support for Scottish Labour is down to Corbyn (and I'm no fan of his) given that the SNP gained a majority in the Scottish Parliament (within a voting system designed to prevent exactly that) in 2011 and won all except 3 Westminster constituencies in 2015 - both while Ed Miliband was leader

In terms of the OP I feel much the same as many in this thread - the divisions won't be healed any time soon. All options - deal, no deal, revoke - have such strong opposition that no matter what happens there will be a sizeable number of people who feel angry and betrayed.

Just cancel Brexit. It will be like ripping a plaster off; it will sting for a short time, but it's the quickest and easiest solution.

The alternative is we go ahead with it, life will be extremely hard for most people, the poorest will die and the blame game will continue for generations.

Remember Cameron saying Scotland should not vote for independence from UK is they want to remain in the EU?

Who could forget? It's the reason we lost the first referendum!

If Scotland wants to rejoin the EU then obviously EU will want something in return. What will Scotland put on the table?

The oilfields which were undervalued have suddenly become the saviour of the entire UK according to English newspapers (the same ones who talked them down 5 years ago), renewable energy, and oh aye, the fishing waters that Westminster has used as a bargaining chip since day one. Exports which are rising higher than the rest of the UK, and a growing market for modern industry.

Guess there will have to be a hard border between England and Scotland?

I'd prefer not to have one, but if needs must, so be it.

Lifecontinues of course we fucking know we'll go down the plug hole too. That's why we're incandescent. We're being dragged down against our will. A lot of remainers think it will be a disaster whatever Brexit we get. It's not a question of not having 'won' as we're always represented as being pissed off about. It's about all of the issues to do with the economy, relations with other countries, the labour market, workers rights, human rights, consumer rights, greater equality. To me those things are priceless in comparison to the pennies each one of us spend on EU per annum. And anyway the Brexit project has probably cost many years of EU contributions in terms of planning and government time.

How would you feel if your next door neighbour could decide to sell your house at a knock down price, get you sacked from your job so you have to taken one at lower wages and poorer working conditions? That's what it feels like. So people who don't even know what they'd do with sovereignty (I've never heard anyone give a decent answer to that question) can say say they've got it back,

In answer to the OP, no I'll never forgive them for what they've done to our future, our standing in the world, our country's harmony, Northern Ireland, the economy, my children's future. Just so they can feel a bit important for a while and hanker after a past that never existed. Just no!

Oh and Brexiteers will just blame remainers for it being a disaster. They could never admit they were wrong. They'll just say it's our fault because we didn't get behind it enough, or some other bollocks.

The oilfields which were undervalued have suddenly become the saviour of the entire UK according to English newspapers (the same ones who talked them down 5 years ago), renewable energy, and oh aye, the fishing waters that Westminster has used as a bargaining chip since day one. Exports which are rising higher than the rest of the UK, and a growing market for modern industry

What would that equate to in terms of cash on the table?

UK as a whole pays 50 Million per day Gross which after rebate drop to about 30 to 35 Million per day. How would Scotland's cash on the table compare?

What Brexit?

Hasn't. happened. yet.

3 years and counting

I’m sure once we’ve left things will settle down & people will just get on with their lives, it’s the uncertainty that causes the problems.
I don’t know anyone who talks about brexit in RL, it’s only on social media I see people talking about it.
What choices do we have once we’ve left?
You either get on with it or you move to a different country.
I’m sure social media will still be talking about brexit for a few years after we’ve left, but people will eventually just stop and move on.

LifeContinues honestly I don't know. Because so many lies have been told it's impossible to predict.

But if we're fucked anyway, I'd rather have an option that means we could rejoin the EU, and not be viewed as knuckle dragging racists by the rest of the world than be aligned with the increasingly ridiculous charade that is Westminster.

Scandinavian trade is also an option, which they've said would be possible.

The point is that nobody knows what is coming do they? It's why we're in this godawful mess, because so many people voted in a knee jerk way without guarantees.

I have no patience with leave voters bleating that they never voted for a no deal Brexit. They did, because by voting leave they voted for the unknown. Well it's not the unknown anymore. It's no deal Brexit. Which is unthinkable. Palliative care doctors have said drugs won't be available. The economy will tank, again. Living costs will rise, wages will fall, and the Tories will have sole control without the mitigation of the EU.

So the welfare state, wages, working conditions, the NHS, all under their control without the backup of the EU.

It's horrendous.

So aye, if Scotland gets independence nobody's expecting it to be rosy immediately, but we might as well if we're fucked anyway take the chance to not be dragged into a godawful mess we never voted for again!

Oh and the amount of people stamping their feet because Scotland and NI won't fall in line and do as they're told and declaring we can just fuck off then aren't helping.

If we're such a drain, why the fuck did so many politicians make such an effort to keep the union intact?

Because it benefits them. That's why. But it doesn't benefit Scotland or NI.

I don't think there is any way to "bring the country back together" tbh. If Brexit doesn't happen there is a group of people who will go to their graves still bitter about it. If it does happen, and especially if there is no deal, many young people's lives will be blighted by the loss of opportunities and it will be a long time before they forgive that.

The point of being in the EU is not just about money, it is about creating opportunities for PEOPLE. OK money is involved, but it unlike the UK sucking up to the USA as it's 'new best buddy' the USA is not interested in people but profit. The USA does not need more people, or 'security' because it can split the world apart with so many warheads within minutes.
For Scotland to leave the UK and stay/rejoin the EU would bring with it various restrictions, no doubt Nicola will have this under her pillow.
Tanks to Preregrina for mentioning the Spanish Civil war and the rate at which enmity between the sides have gradually dissipated, but even in the UK Liverpudlians refuse to buy some papers because of their reporting on Hillsborough and of course there are other conflicts closer to home, even the wars of the roses.
With a forward looking, comfortable and equitable society, wounds can heal, in the UK the conflict has hardly started, let alone any sign of any form of reconciliation. If/when the economy crashes around 1 November the name calling and bitterness which is present even on this 'chat board' will intensify and may well take a physical form.
Remember the 'scrap' outside a build a bear place a yer back?

Tanks = Thanks, obviously!

Where that twat Cameron who started this whole mess and has 'no regrets'?

@tomtom1999xx

You either get on with it or you move to a different country.

Wasn't the whole point of Brexit to make it harder to move to another country? After Brexit most people just won't have that option unless they're very highly skilled, very rich or can take part in some short term youth program and before they have to go back home.

I agree KennDodd but also would say it's not as simple to leave anyway for older people (not elderly but not in my twenties) like me. I've got my family, friends and career here. I wouldn't be able to do my job in another country, for instance. I have no support network overseas.

Annoyingly I think in a few years time as the younger generation reaches maturity, there will be fewer inward looking reactionaries and a much higher remain support. If only he'd waited a few years to have the sodding vote. And if Cameron doesn't have any regrets, he bloody well should have. Turning a country against each other and tanking the economy for a generation at least: good work.

I often wonder what would happen about the cries of ‘democracy’ if there was a People’s Vote and the mandate for Brexit was lost.

The only reason Leavers don’t want such a vote is they know they would lose this time because the middle ground Leavers have realised how damaging it’s going to be and don’t feel strongly enough about it to choose it again.

So, if democracy had changed its mind, I’m sure Leavers would still try and insist the first vote was all that mattered - which would prove this has nothing to do with democracy, just getting their own way, and to hell with the consequences.

I agree. It's too late for me to leave, although I could get an EU passport if I wanted. The problem is that my children wouldn't as they only have British grandparents. Luckily they are young enough to change their future, but that may well have to be by going elsewhere.

No one who doesn't qualify for a skills or job related visa (or has an immediate family member who qualifies) has any real opportunity to leave the UK now except to Ireland, so this "if you don't like it just leave" attitude is just staggering hypocrisy (or plain stupidity; probably the latter in many cases)

You'd gave to be be insane to emigrate to the EU now, unless you're very wealthy or have a decent job lined up. New arrivals will in most cases have few rights after Brexit unless they are working and earning a reasonable amount.

A friend of mine have very vocal Leaver mum who's just got herself an Irish passport so she doesn't lose her rights to swan around Europe as she pleases. My Remain voting friend and his children are not entitled to this, he is beyond furious with his mum that she voted to take rights and opportunities away from his children while taking steps that she doesn't lose though rights herself. How can that heal?

The only reason Leavers don’t want such a vote is they know they would lose this time because the middle ground Leavers have realised how damaging it’s going to be and don’t feel strongly enough about it to choose it again

Is there any conclusive evidence that people have changed their minds?

The recent success of Brexit Party and the flop by Change UK Party suggests people have not changed their minds.

The recent success of Brexit Party and the flop by Change UK Party suggests people have not changed their minds.

The Brexit party got 30 odd percent of the votes - that’s not the 52% that won the first referendum and is not enough to win a second referendum

Like I said, the headbangers mean this isn’t going to go away but they aren’t the majority and should be able to destroy the country for everyone.