Just how exactly are we going to 'bring the country back together'?

[KennDodd]

Both candidates for PM have claimed they can do this. I heard a Tory party member interviewed on the radio saying that the best way to do this was a 'no deal/WTO/crash out because we'll all be in it together and it'll be like the war'.
I don't know how these wounds are going to heal.

Any notion that somehow BJ or Hunt will 'bring the country together' is fantasy land. I think the only things that will really do that are perhaps an alien invasion or drastic consequences from climate change.

I don't think most people have changed their minds, a small number have but not significantly more. I still think we should have another referendum though, a change of this magnitude need to be double checked. I'd say the same about Scottish independence or deciding to become a republic or something like that. The opitions have consolidated down to no deal v remain and regardless of what you think of Brexit many many politicians were going round promising a fabulous deal and many leave voters would have voted with this in mind and given the choice between no deal and remain would choose remain. Equally no deal could very well still win and if it did it might get politicians off the hook a bit in that they could legitimately blame the electorate for any fallout.

Except that 'no deal' doesn't actually exist in the real world, it is just a much more extreme version of a very bad deal.
The UK is going to get screwed, the 2 options are to use some lube, or sand, which would you like?

They shouldn't try. Scotland and NI voted to remain in the EU and are being taken out against what should be their democratic right.

We have been clearly shown what we mean to the 'UK' (of which I want to be no part of tbh). I, for one, can't wait for independence from the Westminster Circus and absolute joke of a democracy (royal family, house of lords etc.). I have nothing against English people at all but I want to be in with a chance of having a leader we actually voted for.

The recent success of Brexit Party and the flop by Change UK Party suggests people have not changed their minds.

In the EU election the Brexit party got 5 more seats that UKIP did. Don't tell me it's a new party, because it's repackaged UKIP and without Farage it will fall apart.

The LibDems gained 15 seats. The Greens went from 4 to 7. So who really did win there, given the huge Farage propaganda?

BJ certainly can't bring anyone together - getting divorced from his wife and having rows with the girlfriend which can be heard by all the neighbours doesn't sound like someone who negotiates and seeks consensus.

The flop by the Change UK has been picked up by the Lib Dems. Despite being tainted by having been in coalition with the Tories they are doing astonishingly well because Leavers are flocking to them in desperation. More anti Brexit MEPs were elected in this country than pro Brexit ones. Those parties appear to have learned there lesson and appear to be backing away so there is only one anti Brexit candidate in the 1 August by-election.

and given the choice between no deal and remain would choose remain.

Except that some people think No Deal is the status quo i.e. Remain.

My only hope if Boris wins is that he is the only one who has a ladder for the ERG and the DUP to climb down. I have a feeling he is just going to repackage the WA as a grand new plan ( because it has to be signed come what may, even in the event of a no deal) and they will agree to it because they have their Brexiteer PM who they voted for, who has left no deal on the table, so what else can they do? There should be enough Labour MP's exasperated at their lack of action and exasperated at their refusal to back a second referendum to just vote the bloody thing through, together with those in remain and Brexit supporting marginals who will be terrified of losing their seats in a GE. I hope. We can't possibly expect a further extension just to carry on with this shitshow for a bit longer. there has to be a change somewhere.

The success of the Brexit party and flop of Change UK in England.

People who speak about the UK when they mean England are pig fucking ignorant. If you mean England say England, if you're talking about the UK as a whole, don't just mean England.

Fucking hell.

leave voters would have voted with this in mind and given the choice between no deal and remain would choose remain

The number of people on these threads who know exactly how other people will vote is astonishing.

Can you explain how to acquire the ability to read the minds of millions of people?

So let's have a confirmatory referendum to see what people think 3 years on. It's leavers running scared of that. If they know they will win, then they should be all for it. They aren't, because they know that 2016 was their one and only chance of getting what they want.

Can you explain how to acquire the ability to read the minds of millions of people?

We have already seen you state that Labour and the Tories are losing voters because they are not implementing Brexit. So you are obviously a mind reader.

Can you explain how to acquire the ability to read the minds of millions of people?

Can you explain why you and the rest of the Leave supporters are so afraid of a second referendum?

It’s for no other reason than you know you wouldn’t win.

I have historically been a unionist and now live in England.

I no longer believe in the United Kingdom. The way the Scots and the Northern Irish have been treated is diabolical.

And if we do get No Deal then I want those supporting it to suffer the most.

My children (and they are my priority) do not deserve this.

Seem selfish I know but I am sick and disgusted by people and what seems to becoming acceptable in this once tolerant country.

Can you explain why you and the rest of the Leave supporters are so afraid of a second referendum?

I'd like this answered too please.

I know the government are loathe to sanction a second referendum as it sets a precedent for Indy 2 and also they know it's likely to be a remain win.

However I'm not naive enough to think that even with a second referendum and remain win that the UK will be anything close to united in many ways. Brexit has caused societal fractures that will take a generation (at least) to heal. It's brought out a truly ugly section of society (no, not all leave voters but a large and noisy group of them) which shames everyone and makes the entire UK look ridiculous and bigoted.

I hate it, I hate the bitterness, the divisions, the racism/xenophobia and outright nastiness that has come from this ridiculous charade.

Seem selfish I know but I am sick and disgusted by people and what seems to becoming acceptable in this once tolerant country.

I hear you. The union has been shown up to be a one country farce, and the social acceptability of the most appalling prejudices has become the norm. It makes me angrier than I can reasonably explain.

We're currently on holiday in the heart of Brexit country, and have had more than a few snide comments. I'm now packing to go home 3 days early because I'm sick to the back teeth of the shit we've had.

Compared to the 2017 GE

Conservatives lost 16%
Labour lost 22%

A total of 38%

Brexit party currently at 23%
Lib Dem’s 20% up 12 from 2017 GE

Gains by Brexit Party and LibDems total 35% almost the same as what Labour and conservative have lost.

So where did the Brexit party votes come from if not from the loses by labour and conservatives?

How does the Brexit party in 2019 vote compare to UKIP vote in 2014.

I think a lot of people would not transfer their EU vote to UK GE.

This time it may be different but I really hope not.

People are forgetting that this entire farce is only about the Conservative party. Bozo and that Hunt are only really saying that they think they can unite the party. The Tories have consistently shown that they couldn't give a flying fuck about the country.

People vote very differently in a GE. And people may vote very differently in the next GE after Brexit. If we ever get to Brexit...

#threeyearsandcounting

Neither candidate for next PM is that good.

BoJo talking about raising the higher rate tax threshold from £50K to £80K, but does not seem to have said anything about those who earn less which is most of the UK.

Hunt wants to lift the ban on fox hunting! How many people are meant to benefit from that?

And it's clear that even the Quitlings think that Remain would win a people's vote. Otherwise they wouldn't, like ShillsContinue here, keep coming up with more and more pathetic and ridiculous excuses as to why a democratic vote wouldn't be democratic...

Except that some people think No Deal is the status quo i.e. Remain.

That's a very good point, I've seen that research somewhere as well, not that they think it means Remain, they think it means we've left but that nothing will change.
I always thought a much better use of public money producing the 'step into the unknown' leaflet would have been a flyer just explaining what things are.
In that -
This is what the single market is, this is what it does, this is what it doesn't do.
This is what the customs union is, this is what it does, this is what it doesn't do.
This is what the WTO is, this is what it does, this is what it doesn't do.
Good Friday Agreement and so on.

Most voters (and it seems politicians) just didn't (and many still don't) know what these things were.

KennDodd
While I agree with you, to many it was like the cat watching the baubles on the Christmas tree, unable to see or think rationally.
Remember almost any downside was 'project fear' and still is.

The country will never re-unite, the damage has been done. The UK will never be the same again.

Unfortunately the best times are now behind us.