What are the real tangible benefits of the UK leaving the EU ?

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I assume there must be at least a couple, things that can be said with certainty, that will improve the lives of UK citizens. I am not talking about the 'feelings' stuff like sovereignty, I mean if the UK leaves the EU , X will happen and this will automatically improve the lives of the majority of the people in the UK. There has to be at least one ?

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The UK gets to keep Farage and his 'parties'.

This will be a very short thread I think. I would be really interested in any answers however.

We can strike great trade deals with Vanuatu and Honduras!

we wont get a continual stream of goady threads by remoaners

I don't think you'll get any answers OP. Even high profile Leavers have given up talking about advantages. Remember a few years ago when it was all about the Brexit dividend and better trade? Nobody talks about that anymore as it's obvious it's not going to happen. Now it's all "Well, we'll still have drinking water and in forty years we might be able to recover ".

What are the benefits Billy?

The remoaners will have to take up new hobbies to occupy their time instead of hanging around in their sycophantic Brexit thread echo chamber.

So no benefits then, as all you can do is be insulting?
Question to those who have replied by insulting remain supporters.

Labour and Corbyn will be able to take a position on something once we have left and get off the fence

One benefit is no longer being part of CAP which unfairly rewards land owners and ensures over-production among a host of other problems. Unfortunately, without CAP it seems likely that a lot of farms will fail but it creates opportunities to rewild a lot of land which would be fantastic for UK wildlife, tourism and outdoor pursuits. Clearly, realising this benefit requires UK government policy as well as the absence of CAP.

To be sure, this and the few other benefits I can see, are substantially outweighed by the negatives.

@faeriequeen, no just being honest. If you read most of the replies directed at Leavers in these Brexit threads you’ll see how vile and vitriolic they are. I’m sure the posters are very nice people in real life. One can hope anyway.

OP go over to the threads titled Westminstenders..... of which there are a whole series, and then judge for yourself whether you think the remarks addressed to Leavers are vile or not.

If we rewild agricultural land, who will we rely on for food Indistinct ?

I will try and answer the OP question

X will happen and this will automatically improve the lives of the majority of the people in the UK

Nothing will happen automatically. UK will have to fight for Trade deals and give something in return. Examples mentioned on another thread were:

To make a deal with India UK will have to give more Visas to allow people from India to work and live in the UK. I would have no objection tho this as I have worked in India several times and can vouch for their abilities. A deal with India would mean that UK has a partner whose economy will soon pass that of the UK.

To make a deal with USA and Australia UK will have to allow USA and Australia to sell their food products in UK. I have no objection to this as have worked in USA and never had issue with their food. Where I work now imports many food products from Australia and I have no issues with their food. USA might have an obesity problem, but that it due to quantity of consumption, cheap fast food and the number of all you can eat buffets that are everywhere in the USA. Its a lifestyle choice rather than an inherent problem with the food.

I am not talking about the 'feelings' stuff like sovereignty

Some will have been swayed by such thoughts and the "feel good factor" will almost certainly have played a part in the 2016 referendum result even though it may not bring any material reward.

For example, who has the better life; the Lottery winner who is serving life or the person who is on minimum wage, but can leave their home whenever they feel like it to visit friends, go for a walk, go for a beer, etc. Not a hypothetical example by the way. Look on the link:

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/3554008.stm

For some an improvement in quality of life does not necessarily mean more money in their pockets. Freedom counts for a lot.

Also will rewilded land still be owned by private landowners ?

Indistinct that kind of change is pretty unlikely to happen quickly, especially with a Conservative government. Farmer’s lobby is strong. I could see the subsidy farmers finding life a bit harder going.

And rewilding 1) isn’t necessarily the first option for land re-purposing and 2) comes with it’s own issues.

1. Given the housing crisis, I could see redundant farmland being sold of for plots. This could be piecemeal by farmers who’ve gone down the “get planning permission to maximise value” road, or larger swathes of land to developers. I live in a rural part of the UK and both approaches are pretty common round here. More houses is good and necessary, but there are problems associated with building a big estate on the outskirts of a town/village without the local services necessarily being upscaled in a timely fashion. Often those houses are fairly swanky “executive developments” out of the reach of the people who live and work locally. Some affordable housing can mitigate that, but not every part of the UK enforces that as well as the others.

2) Rewilding isn’t uncontroversial in itself. There are vast swathes of land close to my area which are undergoing rewilding or where rewilding is proposed in the near future. Not everyone who lives adjacent to those areas is thrilled by the potential re-introduction of wolves for example. Some see as dangerous for people and animals who live in those areas, others suspect a covert way of restricting right to roam. Others see threats to local livelihoods, whether that is agricultural work or in tourism. Yet more people are angered by things like deer culling.

People who use the term ”remoaners” are generally not intelligent enough to be able to answer the question you have posed OP.

I know lots of Leave voters who would answer but are not here. They can do so without using terms like “remoaner” and manage to debate properly.

We don’t hurl abuse at one another either...we agree to disagree.

LifeContinues For some an improvement in quality of life does not necessarily mean more money in their pockets. Freedom counts for a lot.

I appreciate that, but we are back to 'feelings' . How YOU personally feel about a situation does not equate to an improvement in the lives of many.

My Dad voted Leave ...he says that there was a different “feel” before the EU but can’t give me anything more specific.

A trade deal with India could be very good for us and for those who want to live and work here. The Indian people I know are highly qualified people like doctors and engineers.

Don’t tell my racist neighbours though..l.they thought Leave meant something else.

If you think like this man you see the advantage as being all foreigners will go back to where they came from, especially the black and brown skinned ones.

Goodness knows what they are going to think about those who are actually British citizens.

The very thin veneer that this isn’t about immigration has slipped and it is now just about that for the very vast majority of those who want to pursue Brexit at all costs.

To them it is a benefit.

To the rest of us it is just disgusting.

For some an improvement in quality of life does not necessarily mean more money in their pockets. Freedom counts for a lot.

I think this is why so many young people are devastated by Brexit. They used to have the freedom to live and work in other European countries with relative ease. Soon they won’t.

{One benefit is no longer being part of CAP which unfairly rewards land owners and ensures over-production among a host of other problems}

The whole issue of food security, water usage and climate change are all related and scrapping CAP (or opting out by leaving) won't solve any of the issues. Most of the land in the UK is owned by relatively few people and they have their own agendas. Workers pay, responsible land management and so on are all subject to the demand for profit.

I think the "moderate leavers" (people who voted for leaving via a Norway relationship) had some arguments that stand up to at least cursory scrutiny. Not concrete economic benefits, but political ones.

There are zero benefits to a very hard or no deal Brexit unless you are asset-rich.

I think you are kidding yourself LifeContinues if you think that all Brexiters share your opinions of Indians. I do, my cousin has been married to one for years - kind, thoughtful, hard working etc. But the man who was fined yesterday for abusing a black Briton and telling her that she would be out when Brexit happens would not think so. He might only represent 10% of the population but that is 6 million or so people.