What are the real tangible benefits of the UK leaving the EU ?

[frumpety]

I assume there must be at least a couple, things that can be said with certainty, that will improve the lives of UK citizens. I am not talking about the 'feelings' stuff like sovereignty, I mean if the UK leaves the EU , X will happen and this will automatically improve the lives of the majority of the people in the UK. There has to be at least one ?

IQ rates are higher for those in born Scotland and Northern Ireland, with Wales slightly behind

That is old data from 2003 from an online test as opposed to a test arranged by picking people at random:

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/3001361.stm

Any more recent numbers as I can't find any?

Given that the majority of those who voted leave in the UK were in the 45 plus age group and C2 De social groups I would have thought that that poll still stands.

lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/03/a-reminder-of-how-britain-voted-in-the-eu-referendum-and-why/

To Placemats

I can’t work out the connection between the IQ score of the UK member states relates to the link that talks about demographics as geographic is not mentioned?

Bearbehind - it means that much of the electorate have been unable to participate in elections for years as they have had no one to vote for. The political class haven’t been too bothered about that. Happy to hold power based on the votes of a small percentage of the electorate. In doing so, they have become increasingly disconnected from large sections of the population. When given a vote that mattered in June 2016, these voters (often insulted for not having anyone to vote for previously) cast their vote for the first time in years and refused to vote the way they were expected to. This means that there is a possibility to reignite our democracy. Failure to Brexit has caused more damage to the relationship between potentially disenfranchised voters and their representatives. A clean Brexit has some chance of repairing that relationship and potentially inspiring the wider populace to engage politically. This must be a good thing for democracy & our society whatever your position on the EU.

How do you define a 'clean Brexit' Finerumpus ?

What are the real tangible benefits of the UK leaving the EU ?

There aren't any

What are the real tangible benefits of the UK leaving the EU

There aren't any

So by definition the leave vote was based on intangible benefits. Hence financial argument presented by remain supporters has made no difference.

I'd like to hear what an 'intangible benefit' is. My definition would be that's it's a benefit that isn't one.

I'd like to hear what an 'intangible benefit' is. My definition would be that's it's a benefit that isn't one

So you voted remain on financial factors alone?

Impossible to know why 17.4 million voted leave, but intangible must have played a part. After 3 of remain supporters preaching that leavers were fooled by lies and Brexit guarantees UK will implode there is no difference.

Brexit party flourished from nowhere

UK MPs voted against a 2nd referendum

T May stepped down

Both future UK PM candidates have pledged UK will Leave EU

{So by definition the leave vote was based on intangible benefits.}

Back in the real world, how will intangible benefits put food on the table?

{A clean Brexit has some chance of repairing that relationship and potentially inspiring the wider populace to engage politically.}

Like the tooth fairy, a 'clean Brexit' doesn't exist.
Brexit as a word has no definition of it's meaning to support it. It is intangible in that it means something different to every person.
EVERY version of what people call 'Brexit' will be horrible and drawn out, for at least the next 3 years absolute minimum as the negotiations to action the 700 or so treaties in the WA will take at least 2 years to complete even if the UK gov actually agrees to them all.

{Brexit party flourished from nowhere}

The Brexit party is a rehash of UKIP and as a 'party' protesting against the EU was started in at least 2014 when it was registered in the EU.

The Brexit party is a rehash of UKIP and as a 'party' protesting against the EU was started in at least 2014 when it was registered in the EU

Immaterial. They are doing great regardless of how they started

Immaterial. They are doing great regardless of how they started
More UK anti Brexit MEPs is your definition of doing great?😂

{Immaterial. They are doing great regardless of how they started}

Well they have 'rabble rousing' down to a fine art, but where are the costed scenarios explaining to the citizens of the UK HOW and WHEN their lives are going to be improved?

Like BoJo, and Hunt, all their 'manifestos' seem to end at midnight (EU time) on 31 October.

More UK anti Brexit MEPs is your definition of doing great?😂hmm

There aren't more anti Brexit MEPs unless you make the assumption that everyone who did not vote for the Brexit party are all anti Brexit. Don't forget that 5 million who voted labor in 2017 voted leave in 2016

{Don't forget that 5 million who voted labor in 2017 voted leave in 2016}

You need to prove that assertion.

Pretty sure SNP, LD and Greens are anti Brexit. But kid yourself otherwise if it makes you happy.

A clean Brexit may cause some issues but nothing like the projected apocalypse that some would like us to believe. Voters wanted to Brexit despite all the dire warnings. Failure to Brexit will result initially in the failing status quo being maintained. The long term consequences for our democracy could be even more severe.

Failure to Brexit will result initially in the failing status quo being maintained. The long term consequences for our democracy could be even more severe.
I think Brexit will be far more damaging to our democracy tbh. An advisory referendum being respected despite evidence of illegality, broken promises and disenfranchisement? Politicians blithely talking about breaking up the country and ruining the economy? Democracy is already broken. Our only hope of mending it is a people's vote on a deal.

{A clean Brexit}
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CLEAN BREXIT.

Wailing about 'democracy' is complete bollocks, The referendum was set and regulated on shaky principles and the lies told by primarily the Leave' campaigns plus the fact that many of the 'goals' of 'Brexit were either ill defined or in direct conflict with other goals.
We want to control our borders and keep the border in NI open being a particularly interesting topic. Leavers have to decide which it is. Open or closed?
Democracy also allows the possibility of changing your mind if something is really stupid.

And the 'poster boy' complaining about lack of democracy in the EU had to be democratically voted for to get him there.

The people’s vote has happened and despite the best attempts of the established political classes to thwart the result through the courts, Remainstream media reporting and BINO deals, there is still hope. Yes the status quo is failing but the referendum showed that their is hope for our democracy; voters will engage when they have something to vote for.

Surely a clean Brexit would mean the WA? Anything else will be a messy Brexit.

The contempt with which democracy is sometimes described on here is dreadful.

{there is still hope.}

Back around the loop.
What are you 'hoping' for?

The WA is essentially a list of the around 700 treaties that bind the UK and EU together. It is not a 'deal' but more a 'process' that needs to happen.

If you leave your tennis club, the WA would be agreeing to give back any equipment you have borrowed, but you could negotiate and buy some 'second hand' balls. The PD, that goes with the WA might say that you have a week to return the borrowed racket.

The WA, or one that will be near identical, will have to be signed before the EU engage in any further negotiations. This aspect is non negotiable. At this stage the PD may be changed.