What are the real tangible benefits of the UK leaving the EU ?

[frumpety]

I assume there must be at least a couple, things that can be said with certainty, that will improve the lives of UK citizens. I am not talking about the 'feelings' stuff like sovereignty, I mean if the UK leaves the EU , X will happen and this will automatically improve the lives of the majority of the people in the UK. There has to be at least one ?

And for some people the intangible benefits are more important.
Some people I know voted leave even though they know they will be worse off. One person knows his job will go. He still voted leave because he does not want to be tied to the EU.

Here's a recent article giving alleged benefits of a WTO Brexit, can some of you have a look please and explain if they are real benefits or just more smoke and mirrors?

brexitcentral.com/lets-recall-benefits-no-deal-wto-based-brexit-yield-uk-80-billion-per-year/

(For the record I voted Leave but have since realised I chose wrongly but on ignorance and naivity and now wish to remain in the EU.)

*based not but!

Freedom to renationalise privatised industry without paying market price to shareholders.
Loosening up on rules prohibiting state subsidies to unprofitable industries (we could do more under existing rules but this would snap the chains completely).

Whether you think these would be advantages is a matter of personal opinion, but it’s presumably influencing some members of the Labour Party hierarchy.

FFS, we have literally been here hundreds of times before and you are still reeling off the same tired soundbites

To me tangible benefits will be freedom from the ECJ.

You can’t name anything the ECJ has ruled on that you disagree with and just disagreeing with it on principle is ridiculous

Ability to make our own laws here in the UK without another entity, the EU, looking over us, and implementing them here.

As above, you can’t name any that actually affect you and it completely misses the point that we will still have to comply with many EU rules and regulations in order the trade with them, just with no say in their design anymore

Our courts will have the final say.

No they won’t always as we’ll still be under ECHR

We will not be net contributors to the EU. Our money will stay here and our government will decide what to spend it on, not the EU.

The amount is so trivial (less than 1% of GDP) compared to what we lose by leaving and not having frictionless trade. There will be even less money available, not more, for projects successive governments have never bothered with.

We will have control over immigration and can organise it to meet the needs of this country rather than it being an open border.

We always could have done this

We can make our own trade deals.

Name 1 single country we can’t currently trade with, what we’d want / offer and why we’d get a better deal outside the EU than in it.

{We will have control over immigration and can organise it to meet the needs of this country rather than it being an open border.

We can make our own trade deals.}

Well you obviously haven't been paying attention. The UK has ALWAYS been able to control immigration, the EU does not force countries to take 'everybody' as although there is freedom of movement, there are restrictions.
While the idea of making your own trade deals sounds good as a slogan, in reality it takes two to tango so as Fox is already discovering, it is not so easy to get things you actually want at the price you want to pay.
If anyone gets anywhere near needing the ECJ to be involved, things are in serious shit and the judgement of the ECJ may actually be your saviour as it may well be a better balanced judgement.
While the 'massive' 0.7% that the UK pays into the EU might be better spent, but over the last 40 years the UK government has been disinclined to do so, and in fact the EU regional development and hardship funds have done more for the UK than Westminster does. Westminster was also 'fined' or at least reprimanded for withholding payments that should have gone to Wales.

But of course you know all this because you are highly educated, or is it that you have a strange agenda and enjoy being economical with the truth.

Some who run their own businesses may think that without EU control they will have more freedom to trade with others and their businesses will prosper?

Literally no one who runs a business thinks this (because if they are competent at running a business they will already be trading with those people; there is nothing to stop them).

Some businesspeople may anticipate environmental and product standards being rolled back, allowing them to sell less-safe and less-clean products in the U.K.

Others may hope that outside Europe, employment regulations will be relaxed in favour of the employer, reducing the cost of employing people.

Others still may be looking for windfall gains as a result of Brexit, for eg opportunities to price gouge if there are shortages, or potential forex gains.

There aren't really many advantages of Brexit from a business owner's point of view, and there are many disadvantages, for companies who export.

CrunchyCarrot
I feel that 'report' is putting a very high gloss on the various aspects and ignoring things like the 'regulatory red tape will have to be replicated and possibly doubles when the UK is trading with possibly differing rules with say the EU and with the USA.
It also does not suggest how the UK gets from where it is now, to 'new' rules which will take 5 or more years to achieve, by which time the EU and other trading partners will have also shifted. Without JiT for example many investments from 'abroad' are likely to avoid the UK. The Japanese for example, if they were to continue to build cars in the UK, will still be needing them to be made to EU regulations, so any benefit from altering them will be lost.
Ford is already pulling out of the UK and although Trump may not be in power for many more years, car production for the US market is unlikely, and again if they are to be sold in the EU then they will have to be EU specs.
Once the decision and terms of the UK leaving are known, there may well be a 'feeding frenzy' where EU and other countries pull out their production capabilities in the UK. The world economy is slowing, which is good for a climate change point of view, but will require a rethink of how the world does business, and the UK will not be well placed and able to muscle it's way in.
The world runs on large trading blocs and ever greater ties are being made. For the UK, a small island with dwindling resources now is not the time to cast itself adrift. Remember that nothing the UK makes is truly unique or which can't be made elsewhere.

The comments about the fishing, all very grand but for the 'profits' proposed, BMW 'makes' in 10 days what the fishermen could benefit in a year.
It is also peculiar that this report suggests the UK COULD benefit by £80 Billion a year, whereas the UK government's projections are suggesting a £90 Billion LOSS, bearing in mind that the government planners are working with current figures.

Thanks for responding ZazieTheCat and Frumpety. Agree that rewilding is quite controversial and doesn’t address food security and other potentially more deserving land-repurposing schemes (eg housing). I guess it was my (wildlife/nature focussed) take on a potential Brexit benefit afforded by the additional freedom of not having to get 27 other nations to agree with your proposed changes. CAP is a system of subsidies and policies that shapes the UK agricultural land (and therefore much of the landscape/scenery). Should say CAP has many benefits: food security, income reliability for farmer, etc. But not having to comply with it gives UK government freedom to change the framework of agricultural subsidies/policies without having to persuade rest of EU. It increases our autonomy in this area (at great cost). Whether current and future governments use that autonomy wisely and to our advantage as a nation is a different matter and far from guaranteed. Make sense ?

Thanks LeClerc for explaining all that. There must be some benefits to Brexit (one with a deal would obviously be far better) but so far I think the negatives outweigh any positives.

indistinct
The CAP can have variants as the UK has the possibility to veto aspects and make greater or lesser regulation to suit the UK but to do it most effectively the (UK) MEPs should do their jobs to put the UK case. As has been mentioned frequently, if Farage had actually attended all the meetings in Brussels and voted/lobbied properly the fishing quotas may not have been lost, but it was his (or others) inattention to detail that 'did it' for the UK fishermen.

UK fisherman will get far better fishing quotas.
We can trade with other countries without having to go through EU.
We will not have to pay large amounts of cash to EU every year.The UK will not be bound by endless EU red tape.
Immigrants from all over the world will be able to apply to live in UK and success will rely on points based system not living in EU.

I’d also be very wary of the fact they’ve specifically said the bill would be split 50/50.

They could go way off ordering really expensive options so even if you were careful you’d end up with an enormous bill.

Totally wrong thread! 😂

I'm still hoping for a free trampoline. Any sign of that yet?

Coppersulphate are you suggesting I am a immigrant then ? Because that's how I read the last part of that post ?

@caringcarer Can you clarify what red tape is hindering the UK at present please?

As for non EU immigrants, they already can apply to live here. Nothing is changing in that respect.

OP I think you’re either being provocative or you may have missed the point. Many people voted to leave because they don’t support the European project of becoming part of a European federation of states. That’s why I voted leave- I couldn’t bring myself to endorse that project. There are many related points but I personally didn’t vote leave to get one or more immediately identifiable benefits. Not everyone is motivated by the same reasoning that you’re applying here.

I do honestly appreciate that Tulips but I thought there would be some real tangible benefits to leaving the EU, you know stuff that made the average persons life a bit better in some respect ? I am fairly sure that during the Leave campaigning prior to the referendum that that was the general gist , things would be better for people in the UK out of the EU.

Now it just seems that there are no real tangible benefits but a lot of people who don't like the idea of the EU believe they will be happier once their goal of leaving is achieved, which is of course absolutely their prerogative.

Not everyone is motivated by the same reasoning that you’re applying here.

Of course they aren’t but when the choice is between

• being part of a European project that actually doesn’t affect me

Or

• losing my job / cost of living increasing / less opportunities in general

Honestly, which do you want?

So many people who complain about a "Federation" seem to completely misunderstand what the word means. In fact, they seem to think it means the polar opposite of what it actually means; i.e. they don't realise that it actually means more deregulation, decisions being made at local level, etc..

UK fisherman will get far better fishing quotas.
We can trade with other countries without having to go through EU.
We will not have to pay large amounts of cash to EU every year.The UK will not be bound by endless EU red tape.
Immigrants from all over the world will be able to apply to live in UK and success will rely on points based system not living in EU.

Just wanted to say thank you @caringcarer for giving a clear answer to the question. I'm a remainer at heart but am now trying to make peace with a different type of future.
My big hope is that when trade and travel become more difficult we will become more self sufficient. Growing more here (more small local industries) buying and eating food that is local and in season and travelling less, maybe holidaying in this country a lot more. This will lead to a cleaner, greener future.

Although I accept that if we solve our immediate problem by jumping into trade agreements with EG Australia, India, USA then this will make things worse not better but I can hope!! 🤷🏽‍♀️

What I don't understand is all the live for fishermen. 😄 I mean I have nothing against them but the fishing industry us worth so much less and employs fewer people than in many service sectors which will be practically destroyed by Brexit.

What were the tangible benefits that you remember from the campaign OP?
The answer to the OP depends on what you consider to be a benefit. Re-enfranchisement of significant proportions of the electorate would be a real benefit from my POV. It’s a huge problem for many others though.

*UK fisherman will get far better fishing quotas

• No, because our government sold them all off to fishing companies in other countries. Also, quotas are not just settled by the EU

We can trade with other countries without having to go through EU.

• Yes, but on significantly worse terms, because we are not the biggest trading bloc in the world

We will not have to pay large amounts of cash to EU every year.

• the 0.7% of GDP that it costs us in pretty insignificant compared to the possible 10% that it is reckoned we will lose on a "no deal" Brexit.

The UK will not be bound by endless EU red tape.

• No, but we will have to recreate all the red-tape to be able to continue trading with anyone.

Immigrants from all over the world will be able to apply to live in UK and success will rely on points based system not living in EU*.

• That was always something the UK government had control over. Windrush anyone?