Westministenders: Hustings and Humilation

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Round 1 has passed.
Boris is winning. But these are the Tories. Surprises might yet happen.

But the chances are the lying buffon is full speed ahead to be the next PM. As long as he manages to keep his mouth shut.

Unfortunately being Prime Minister involves talking. This might prove to be something that bursts the BorisMania rather rapidly.

A GE is still very much on the cards.

And we might face the Constitutional and undemocratic shutting down of parliament to satisfy the Tory Faithless.

Meanwhile the EU couldn't give less shits. They just think we are wasting the time we were granted in good faith.

31st October beckons with No Deal.

I've never understood why so much importance was placed on the polls. I think they are more influencers than indicators of public opinion.

Big I did see something on Twitter so am sceptical of its truth that Tory party donors had been mooting the idea of an electoral pact to Farage that BXP wouldn’t stand candidates in Tory party marginals where MP was a Brexiteer then they would do the same in Labour seats where BXP stood a chance of gaining a seat.

Big I did see something on Twitter so am sceptical of its truth that Tory party donors had been mooting the idea of an electoral pact to Farage that BXP wouldn’t stand candidates in Tory party marginals where MP was a Brexiteer then they would do the same in Labour seats where BXP stood a chance of gaining a seat.

part of the problem is the data is ... well out of date. Combining the 2017 GE results with recent local and EP results doesn't really give the clarity you'd need to pull of a stunt like that.

Also, has the UK any recorded experiences of such a pact nationwide ? There seems to be a naivete in assuming that a Tory voter is simply going to vote BXP if there's no Tory candidate. Ditto; is a BXPer (an entity that isn't even as old as the blue tits in my garden) going to vote Tory if there's not BXP candidate ? Given I'd expect activism from other parties to try and increase the turnout having an effect as well .

Yup I agree DG unless they are just trying to ‘protect’ certain candidates that may or may not be PM .......

unless they are just trying to ‘protect’ certain candidates that may or may not be PM .......

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the temptation to run directly against Boris proved too much for Nige - and he stood in the same constituency.
That's the problem with giant egos - they don't actually play nicely together.

The more interesting rumour in one of the Sundays (was quoted on Marr) was that the ERG Tory MPs were threatening to defect to the Brexit Party. That negates the need for an electoral pact and also would likely lead to instant GE.

The more interesting rumour in one of the Sundays (was quoted on Marr) was that the ERG Tory MPs were threatening to defect to the Brexit Party.

Will never happen. It's what should have happened - a long time ago. But a lot of Brexiteer Tories damn well know that their constituents are a lot less keen on Brexit than they are. Hence the duplicity of standing under Tory colours whilst supporting a non-Tory policy. A key non Tory policy.

Yep. there've been rumours that hardline ERG Tory MPs could defect to the Faragists if the new PM doesn't push for No Deal

Add that to the Tory Remainers threatening to resign if the new PM DOES go for new deal

.... Brexit may yet destroy the Tory Party, or at least split them in 2, in which case FPTP would render the right powerless

Corbyn & co are waiting and hoping this happens - imo, Brexit itself is a sideshow to Corbyn at least

Defectors from main parties usually wreck their careers and often lose their seats

A pact is imo unlikely:

• Farage has been reported many times as wanting to destroy the Tory party - undying anger that they refused to select him as a candidate all those years ago ?

• A pact could help him do that, even to replace their right wing.
  So too dangerous for the Tories

Yep. there've been rumours that hardline ERG Tory MPs could defect to the Faragists if the new PM doesn't push for No Deal

Excuse my extreme cynicism, but the one consistent thing about the past two years has been a stream of rumours about resignations. Rarely backed by action.

Also, it seems a little bit too good to be true ... the wish being the father of the thought, I believe .....

Tom Watson was pushing PV and remain for Labour Party so I don’t think Corbyns problems of a divided party have gone away.

Meanwhile the country has to wait whilst the politicians sort themselves out......

A pact could help him do that, even to replace their right wing.
So too dangerous for the Tories

Assuming the tories are clever and insightful enough to realise the danger. They have been blind to danger thus far.

Tom Watson was pushing PV and remain for Labour Party

Yeah, I used to talk to myself in front of the mirror too. Meaning we have that, and not being in power in common.

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New - David Lidington backs Rory Stewart's campaign to be PM. Big endorsement - other campaigns starting to get twitchy about the numbers switching. But even then.. is it enough tomorrow to keep him the race? He needs at least 33 backers and to avoid coming last.

That's big - might persuade a few Tories to follow him.

But as I posted: Rory's problem is too little time between rounds to build his momentum
If the next round was in 1-2 weeks, I'd be more hopeful

Absolute Radio news is reporting that both Rory the Tory and The Saj say they have the numbers to get through tomorrow’s vote. I can’t see that elsewhere though.

I've seen some one say The Saj is confident he's got the numbers.

Which makes me wonder if Gove will lose a few votes and be unexpectedly out....

Are they switching to Stewart from candidates that are still in or is he picking up the Hancock waifs and strays??

I think, if I was Rory the Tory, I might be very tempted to take it to the wire, assuming I got to the last two, and then gracefully bow out so that Boris got landed with the job. And couldn't possibly refuse, how could he with the weight of the party behind him?

Then, I might try to pick up the pieces next time round.

He probably will pick up a few Hancock supporters, BUT if The Saj AND Rory the Tory really do have the numbers, someone's switching as I don't think there aren't enough votes between Hancock, Harper, McVey and Leadsom to push them both over the line particularly as McVey and Leadsoms supporters were strong Leavers.

I'm quite interested to see what happens to Boris' numbers tomorrow. I'd love them to drop despite there being fewer candidates. Though it won't happen!

Basilpots Mon 17-Jun-19 17:39:53

Tom Watson / Phony Tony was pushing PV and remain for Labour Party so I don’t think Corbyns problems of a divided party have gone away.

Meanwhile the country has to wait whilst the politicians sort themselves out......

Tidied
Mr Manbag Watson needs to be deselected. First job of an MP to represent his constituency.
The good thing about all of this they all have no where to hide in sticking their 2 fingers up to the people.
As for Boris the Idiot well you get what you deserve and this country deserves him.

EU expected to formally agree its preconditions after No Deal for trade or minideal talks

Draft conditions are as commentators expected in Germany and as we've discussed here

https://euobserver.com/brexit/144540

The EU commission told member states on Thursday (28 March) that conditions should be set for the UK to enter into future trade talks if the divorce deal is not approved by lawmakers in Britain.

The EU chief civil servant and political master behind the commission, Martin Selmayr, laid out the three conditions to EU diplomats, according to a source familiar with the discussions.

It included Britain paying its share of financial commitments entered into until 2020,
guaranteeing the rights of EU and UK citizens living in Britain or in the bloc,
and finding a solution that keeps the border open on the island of Ireland.

EU diplomats have not made a decision on these conditions, which are similar to the ones spelled out in the withdrawal agreement itself over 500 pages.
One EU source said the conditions are "reasonable", and paying the bill and preserving citizens' right should be acceptable to both sides.