Westministenders: Hustings and Humilation

[RedToothBrush]

Round 1 has passed.
Boris is winning. But these are the Tories. Surprises might yet happen.

But the chances are the lying buffon is full speed ahead to be the next PM. As long as he manages to keep his mouth shut.

Unfortunately being Prime Minister involves talking. This might prove to be something that bursts the BorisMania rather rapidly.

A GE is still very much on the cards.

And we might face the Constitutional and undemocratic shutting down of parliament to satisfy the Tory Faithless.

Meanwhile the EU couldn't give less shits. They just think we are wasting the time we were granted in good faith.

31st October beckons with No Deal.

Is it just me, or can this be taken a different way to the one which was intended?!

Indeed....

Red, speaking as an older person that cracks me up!!

Peter Foster@pmdfoster
FWIW my #C4Debate verdict

Winner: @sajidjavid Stilted, yes, but authentic, warm...normal.

Loser: @DominicRaab Utterly isolated. The fringe will like it. But he IS fringe.

Also rans
@RoryStewartUK priggish/tedious
@michaelgove sermonising/creepy
@Jeremy_Hunt corporate/vacuous

Christopher Hope@christopherhope
Timings breakdown is very interesting.
Dominc Raab - the only out and out Brexiteer - is getting the least amount of time to answer in the first hour:
Raab 7min 11 sec
Javid 8min 46 sec
Stewart 9min 5 sec
Hunt 9min 42 sec
Gove 10 min 42 sec
#Channel4LeadersDebate

Is it just me, or can this be taken a different way to the one which was intended?!

It’s not just you. That’s an unfortunate turn of phrase.

Not just you, RTB

OT, but Trump has been attacking Sadiq Khan again

He RTed Katie Hopkins
No surprise he agrees with Horrible Hopkins

Fraser Nelson @frasernelson
Rory Stewart is a reminder of what Boris Johnson used to be, says @JamesKirkup
t.co/eld6MAexTV

"Dominc Raab - the only out and out Brexiteer"

Brexiters now regard anyone who doesn't want No Deal as verging on Remain

Purity

Complete anec-data but my parents are Leavers and even quite pro-no deal but neither like BoJo

Why the threat of an early election makes Tories double down on Boris Johnson

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/16/election-tories-boris-johnson-farage-corbyn-brexit

Johnson’s closest rival, Jeremy Hunt – who came second in the first ballot – has accused him of
“effectively committing the country to no deal … or an election”
......
Will Britain’s next prime minister have one of the shortest premierships in recent history?
.....
Campaign rivals have taken to jesting that they’ll “meet again in November” for a second leadership contest after the new government collapses
< NOOOO ! Not another one >

I agree with what you are saying about Boris and London georgedawes. Keep hearing commentators who like him saying he had support from Labour London when he was Mayor, they seem to forget a week is a long time in politics never mind the number of years it's been since Boris was in favour.

Thanks Violet. I used to work in higher education around the time of the first mayoral election BJ won (although it wasn't in London). I remember being really shocked to hear left leaning, middle class HE professionals saying they would support him, because he wasn't like other politicians. I always thought he was an arse but I could see why he won because people like that liked him.

Well, FWIW, they all fucking hate him now! With a passion. I do think he could win a general election, but more due to the remain vote splitting across lib dems/labour/greens. If the opposition get organised (no guarantee whatsoever) I think he'll struggle to win another election, including his own seat.

dexra and all the other Stewart lovers versus Boris the adulterer haters a couple of points:

Stewart is a wife stealer
Boris' wife got pregnant by him while he was married to someone else and the old MN adage and all that ....

The Ranganation were backing Boris on the basis we might as well get it over with. I swerved the debate but nice to have all the updates.

Glad you are coming round to my way of thinking on JC BCF

I was bathing the kids with one eye on the debate.

Raab was the worst by far but I found Hunt the creepiest, every time I looked at him I thought “serial killer” (I’ve no idea why I just found him so creepy)

dexra and all the other Stewart lovers versus Boris the adulterer haters a couple of points That's a laugh. I'm not a Rory lover. Truth be told I want either Hunt or Javid.

Did you see last week that all(?) the leadership candidates had a copy of a new book 'Beyond Brexit'?

It's a collection of essays from various Tory MPs setting out their vision of the future.

I figured I'd see what they had in store for us so my copy arrived today. Only The Saj and Raab have contributed out of the candidates.

Forgot photo of the back...

Caring for the elderly is such a massive expense, and the EU staff currently doing much of the work are leaving, care homes closing down, etc.
Is it paranoid of me to think that we will end up with some form of euthanasia?

howabout I've come round to accepting JC as the least bad, because
finally he's considering policies that might help tackle the growing wealth divide, the divide in opportunities

If we don't address this soon, it will wreck our civil society

And of course because of the godawful alternative of Boris as PM
or any of the others wanting tax cuts for the haves, to increase ineqality

Personally, I couldn't care less about Boris's private life - although if the rumours about his NDN are true, that could ruin him

It's his "Fuck Business ", his "Fuck 7/7 families" and his sheer irresponsibility that e.g. harmed poor Nazanin

• all when he held office, not just playing the fool as a journalist

If we can't have a soft Brexit with Rory, then I'd choose Gove - for knowledge about Brexit and intelligence

What are the rumours about his NDN?

I thought the story with Stewart was that a woman left her husband for him. Then he decided against being with her.

I wasn't unaware of the story.

I certainly do think that Stewart has skeletons in the closet and isn't as nice as the image he is projecting. There's a few things which do make me think Hmmm....

But he's had a long term reputation for being reasonably competent which I've known about for some years.

This is currently a trait lacking in MPs.

Plus he's a useful foil to expose Johnson's total lack of it.

I'd rather we didn't have MPs who have affairs at all; but since this is utterly ridiculous I'll settle for mild mid level competency at this point.

This is imo the most fundamental difference between voters of different parties and between parties:

attitudes towards the gulf in wealth and life chances

The difference between Tory voters on this and Labour or Green - or SNP - is stunning

Rory's chief virtues for me are:

1. that he was, until now at least, the only one that really criticised Boris That may also have nudged the others into at least criticising Boris for chickening out of debate

He is making it a contest, not a coronation

2. He came across as human and willing to learn, to accept he made mistakes, to reach out

3. That showed up some of the others, too

BCF he's been challenging Liam Fox on twitter tonight after fox said something about tariffs. He's gone on about how much bull Fox was saying.

He might not win too many friends in the party for it!

Is RS a bit incontinent on twitter? I've heard a few things but I'm not on there.