Westministenders: Hustings and Humilation

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Round 1 has passed.
Boris is winning. But these are the Tories. Surprises might yet happen.

But the chances are the lying buffon is full speed ahead to be the next PM. As long as he manages to keep his mouth shut.

Unfortunately being Prime Minister involves talking. This might prove to be something that bursts the BorisMania rather rapidly.

A GE is still very much on the cards.

And we might face the Constitutional and undemocratic shutting down of parliament to satisfy the Tory Faithless.

Meanwhile the EU couldn't give less shits. They just think we are wasting the time we were granted in good faith.

31st October beckons with No Deal.

I don't think it's that you can't give bad references any more: it's just that you have to be able to justify and back up any statements you make

howabout Any hard right politician you criticise?

You only seem to admire the hard right & fascist newbies like Fox
and criticise the centre or soft left / right

Read half of Claire Fox's rant and couldn't be bothered to read any more. Her hypocrisy would be astounding except for the fact that her freeloading standards are the example set by the party Leader. More fool those voters in the North West who helped put her in.

I don't have any problem with people travelling by train going business class - isn't that the idea, so that they can work? Would Claire Fox have had a problem travelling business class in the UK, with its free teas and coffees and free newspapers. I doubt it - it would have separated her from the plebs.

If Boris became PM and Revoked, I'd rejoice at the Revoke, but I'd continue to call him out for the scum he is, unfit to be an MP, let alone for high office

That's because I'm not rightwing

So what multiple of 'overspend' was the Scottish parliament building (over 9 times) and how many billions are to be spent on Westminster and their 'temporary' accommodation won't be a portakabin just outside luton.

It's hard to believe that Parliament couldn't have found some existing Conference facilities while the work was being done. I don't begrudge them decent conditions - it's not just MPs it's their support staff too.

I do have more problem with on-site bars - my previous employer used to have one, but phased it out when they made being drunk at work a disciplinary offence.

When Alan Sked founded UKIP, he said that MEPs should not attend the EP, not take salary or expenses
He said that Farage, when he started to take over, was obviously eager for the gravy train

EP perks are such an infinitesimal % of the advantage of belonging to a bloc with $20 TRILLION GDP

Leclerc The cost of UK Parliament renovation is £3.5 billion and likely to increase further

What a good reason for Scotland to become independent - more important than the $2 trillion UK GDP ?

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Brexit MEPs already pushing their agenda. Lance Forman came up with a ridiculous series of Tweets about how the voting system works (“you literally can’t press the No button” ) and personal chauffeurs.

Of course, he ignored all the replies saying that he couldn’t push voting buttons BECAUSE HE HADN’T INSERTED HIS ID CARD and that car services were available not chauffeurs, and many MEPs travelled by public transport anyway but hey ho - the Brexit Party fan base will have got the message.

Boris’ biggest vulnerability was not on liberalism but on competence

Surely this is a natural side effect of the ‘buffoon’ persona that he’s been cultivating for so long? This aspect of it has always perplexed me - perhaps he didn’t think this through properly?

I’ve just seen this, posted by woman19 on the last page of the previous thread:

The whole point of the coming regime, includes the fact that one can not control ownership of one's own possessions, including one's own self. Us women know what that means ... You can have as many beans as you want temporarily, but you will not have human rights. Neither of course, will your children have human rights.

As someone who suffers from anxiety and also as someone who has made the decision NOT to move to another country, I find comments like this really disturbing and not particularly helpful. It has started off another round of beating myself up about what I see as my selfish decision putting my DD’s future and safety at risk

Do other people on this thread agree that this outcome is definite (or even fairly certain)? I can see it as one possible future, but not a particularly likely one, but I have a tendency to always think that other people’s opinions are more valid than mine, which is why this has set me off worrying. I’d like to know what the majority of knowledgeable posters on these threads think, please!

I don't have the relatively easy option of moving to another country, because I don't own another passport.

I think for me, it's a question of battening down the hatches and hoping to survive. My DCs are out of the UK at present and I won't be surprised if they never come back.

I genuinely don’t know if woman is on the money or being overly pessimistic.

Yes we have Hunt talking about lowering the gestation abortions can be carried out. I doubt this will happen but it’s possible I could be wrong.

I think the concerns about not being able to control your own possessions seems a bit far fetched to me.

I drop out of these threads from time to time as I can get a bit overwhelmed sometimes (and I don’t suffer from anxiety). Try not to let your worries get to you queen (easier said than done)

QueenOfThorns
I can understand your concern, but relatively little that will be too radical can happen 'overnight'. You will be able to travel in future, it may well be more of a pain in the bum, but not impossible. Depending how organised the UK gets, there may well be shortages of some items in the shops but if you are flexible to eat most things you will not starve, but meals may be a bit more 'disorganised' than you might wish. I expect you will have seen Bellinisurge's threads about stockpiling. Do some of that if you can. It will at least distract you a little and help you feel in personal control.

peregrina If you move to an E27 country by 31 October, or whenever Brexit Day happens, then you will be entitled to remain permanently

• most (all ?) of the 27 govts have affirmed this for British citizens, even in the event of No Deal -

provided
you register there asap, are self-supporting and have health insurance
(all part of what No Deal loses, at least atm, for expats)

As a retired person the self supporting and health care could both be a bit tricky. The self supporting bit is tricky because part of my income is the state pension, and there is no guarantee that the UK would continue to uprate it.

But my DCs should be OK.

Thank you for your kindness, AdequateFood and peregrina

LeClerc I’m pretty certain that there will be an economic catastrophe and food shortages. I’m growing my own fruit and veg and am the mistress of a mighty stockpile. I even appreciate the practice run that we’ve had with the extension, because now I know that I got the quantities of gin right, but need to get in far more crisps! The question for me is whether this will inevitably lead to an erosion of civil rights and liberties. However, as you say, this isn’t likely to happen overnight and we have plenty of people that we could go to if we had to leave.

Queen I also have serious concerns about the way Brexit is playing out. We run a small manufacturing business so will feel the effects of a ‘No Deal’ especially. Where we can we have taken steps to mitigate these. The worst part I think for us is the prolonged uncertainty and the feeling that things are out of our control, but to certain extent life running a small business is always like that anyway Brexit just heightens it somewhat.

Whatever country you live in there are always challenges you are going to face. We have family that moved to Australia because of the way things are here. They still have problems just some are different to ones they would have had if they remained over here.

I agree with 1tis can’t see anything too radical happening overnight.

What are your biggest worries?

peregrina fwiw, I'd be astonished if UK state pension wasn't upgraded for expats in the EU

Big problems I see for any UK pensioners not well off:

• Sterling crashing further, so purchasing power of UK pensions significantly lower
• Getting affordable health insurance at age 60+
• and dealing with inevitable exclusions for existing conditions

Queen I would say the exact opposite. The whole suspicion of socialism from the right comes from the notion that if the State provides then you are beholden to it and as a result have very little personal autonomy.

We were watching 100 Days this week discussing gun control in the US. Whoever they interviewed maintained their right to bear arms because of a deep suspicion of a State allowed to carry weapons while its citizens can't. Similarly a lot of the concern about abortion from the right in the US stems from a fear of eugenics.

MNetters to my disgust often opine that "people shouldn't have more DC than they can afford". "She should have had an abortion" is a less polite version of the same statement. If these attitudes were not currently so prevalent then I doubt Osborne, aided and abetted by Harriet Harperson, could have got the 2 child limit or the penal cuts in benefit to single mothers through.

Just for BCF's benefit I know people who were directly affected by Dunblane and a major part of my decision not to relocate permanently to the US was my complete opposition to an "armed" society. My position on abortion is that a woman's bodily autonomy extends right up until the point of delivery and trumps the rights of the unborn child. However that does not mean that I don't understand the other end of the spectrum and the pitfalls in extremes.

queenofthorns
I understand you. I too made a conscious decision to stay put, and of course I hope it's the right decision for my family. There is a risk of rights erosion, crisis etc but I also think most people are decent and far more attached to true democratic values than we give them credit for.

QueenOfThorns I may be too optimistic - woman may put me right ! -
but imo I do NOT see a dictatorship within the next decade at least
or that anyone in govt cba to cut abortion rights etc

What I do expect for at least the first 6 months are:

• Sterling crashing

• higher prices and scarcity of some foods

• rationing of some medications, med gadgets, treatment

• unemployment rocketing - more businesses cutting jobs or pulling out completely from the UK

• probably further benefit cuts, especially WTC

• even more sanctions and hoops to jump through to get benefits

• Too many problems at once that overwhelm govt / civil service planning and also problems that noone thought of.

• more laws to weaken workers rights and also trade union action

• generally a much sharper transfer of wealth from the poor & powerless to the better off with sharp elbows - Social Darwinism -
  e.g. Boris's policy of tax cuts for the better off and Fuck Public Services (as well as Fuck Business)

• civil disorder and a sharp rise in crime because of all the above

• and the Tories - especially if in coalition or C&S with the Faragists - may well invoke Emergency Powers, from the 2004 Civil Contingencies Act,
  to restrict people protesting about this, or about shortages

fwiw, I'd be astonished if UK state pension wasn't upgraded for expats in the EU

Well I wouldn't. I know it's not uprated for Britons who went to Canada, and I think the same may apply in Australia and New Zealand. The number in Canada who are involved is not great so it would not cost a great deal to uprate their pensions and would generate a lot of good will, but the Govt. has no plans to do so.

The Times appears to have dumped Gove. Referring to him as a "cokehead" (only partly in jest) while carrying an article from the police blaming weekend cocaine users for spiralling drug related crime. Also very critical article on his environment policy and contrasting with Fergus Ewing's proposals for the Scottish rural economy. Most damning criticism was the lack of detailed clear thinking - given he was billed as the competent doer.