Boris

[ChangeMyWorld]

It's going to be Boris, isn't it. Shoot me now.

I am not sure how asking if Iran goes and chokes off one third of the world's oil supply can be inferred as being anything to do with Brexit and leclerc doesn't say that it is. It is a valid question - oil shocks in the past have led to soaring inflation. Some of us remember the petrol coupons being dished out in the early seventies. They in turn, had clearly been printed at the time of Suez and kept in stock.

But for a country that has apparently decided that it wants to turn its back on its nearest neighbours with whom we have be trading with for decades if not centuries it seems to be something else which can only be damaging.

Yes, it might eventually force us away from our dependence on fossil fuels - but that won't happen overnight.

People don't vote for one trick ponies in general elections.

A GE is open to EVERYONE, not just the 'tories'

I'm sure you didn't mean to be patronising, because obviously I know that.

But the pont is, that the BP has maily hoovered up ex-Ukippers and disgruntled Tories. I think the disgruntled Tories would revert to normal voting patterns in a general election.

The one unkown is whether those that don't don't normally vote would turn out to vote BP in the way they did in the referendum. They didn't in Peterborough.

Zipee

These are strange times.

People are getting more and more in to the 'protest' type of voting style - they are becoming quite the 'thing'.

So it COULD happen.

People don't vote for one trick ponies in general elections.

In normal circumstance maybe not, but these aren’t normal to times.

Leavers have been brainwashed by the Brexit cult and can’t see anything beyond that.

it literally doesn’t matter what facts of figures or assessments they are shown, they simply don’t give a shit because it’s all about immigration for the very vast majority of them.

Add that to the fact Corbyn is an utter disgrace and the Tories are eating themselves and it’s more than possible the Brexit party could end up being part of a coalition government in the event of a GE.

tallertales

Correct - I wasn't being 'pratronising' - just pointing out a fact.

But they DID in Peterborough - they only 'lost' by about 600 votes. Not bad for a Party that was only a couple of months old.

I my local area the BP got over 80% of the vote.

The one unkown is whether those that don't don't normally vote would turn out to vote BP in the way they did in the referendum. They didn't in Peterborough.

Peterborough was 60% Leave - and the Brexit Party candidate still didn't get elected.

Although given his grasp of the UK education system, I'm not surprised.

Bearbehind

100% agree that my 'leave' vote was mainly because of the immigration 'issue' - not ALL, but mainly.

I want to see the UK not discriminate on 'immigration' and open it up to the WHOLE world - not just for mainly 'white europeons'.

ANYONE that can offer the UK what we need, in ways of employment especially, should be welcomed here.

People outside Europe have to jump through so many unnecessary hoops to get here. Why?

Not bad for a Party that was only a couple of months old.

But was only a rebadged UKIP with Farage at the helm. Without Farage it too will go the way of UKIP. The Brexit party should have romped home in Peterborough with the Tory party in such disarray.

People outside Europe have to jump through so many unnecessary hoops to get here. Why?

You need to look to Theresa May and ask her.

*Correct - I wasn't being 'pratronising' - just pointing out a fact.

But they DID in Peterborough - they only 'lost' by about 600 votes. Not bad for a Party that was only a couple of months old.

I my local area the BP got over 80% of the vote*

Cersei61, I don’t think you understand my point, even though you spotted my spelling errors.

The possibility of the BP getting votes in a GE relies on the section of the population that doesn’t normally vote turning out to vote for BP. It was that section which made the difference in the referendum.

The turnout in Peterborough was down, so it would seem that the people who normally don’t bother to vote reverted to type in this case. In Peterborough, the BP mostly took their votes from the Tories. I don't think the Peterborough result would be duplicated in a GE as I think the Tories would revert to normal voting. BUT this could change if the usually non-voting section of the electorate turned out in enough numbers and voted BP.

I agree, The Brexit party is just UKIP rebadged. They even won a similar share of the vote and number of seats as UKIP in the last euro elections.

Peregrina

I'd rather not ask TM - she is a very well practised liar.

UKIP is dead, thankfully.

BP? Not so sure that they will go the same way. The 'fan' base is growing daily. Like I've already said, I remember reading the posts on here about Trump, saying much the same thing. Now look what happened there...….

Europe, as a whole, is changing, moving more to the 'right'.

I am a paid up member of the Tory party and would vote Brexit in a GE if it looked like Brexit was not going ahead. So would many of my family and friends

So why didn't the BP win in Peterborough?

tallertales

So we agree - it IS possible :)

Coppersulphate
{LeClerc, are you saying that Brexit is responsible for the situation in Iran.
The situation with the Chinese phone company and 5G has nothing to do with Brexit. }

I never said that these have anything to do with Brexit, BUT whoever is in charge of the UK as PM and cabinet have some VERY serious issues to walk through with the greatest of diplomacy, FAR outweighing the Brexit nonsense. Being a 'go between', between the USA, China, Iran and Russia and deal diplomatically with all of them, never mind the EU that the UK will depend on for trade needs thorough, carefully researched and exceedingly diplomatic handling.
In terms of world events, the UK is simply standing in the corner pissing it's pants, there are far bigger problems outside the UK, and the EU isn't really one of them. At the moment it looks like leave/remain will be decided on which side of the bed Boris gets out of on Oct 31st. if you are not frightened by the prospect of leaving, you obviously don't understand very much.

ANYONE that can offer the UK what we need, in ways of employment especially, should be welcomed here

Won't happen though, the sort of very close FTA 's we need will require relaxation of immigration rules for said countries.

But of course the huge problem with your argument is that if we allow in anyone with relevant skills, ready to go, what incentive is there for UK companies to upskill existing employees or train our young people... none.

Without going into details, my DD is doing a health related degree, in which there are huge shortages in the NHS, 3 years on from the brexit vote, she gets zero help, even on placement she has to pay additional travel and accommodation costs plus woks for nothing whilst on the placement, Matt Hancock has not hinted this is going to change, most of the people on her the course are planning to work abroad.

So we'll be importing them from the 3rd world instead :( Well done!

Trump and the BP are a totally different thing.Trump had more than one policy.

But the reason why Trump won was of course not because he was an outsider, but that he was the nominee in a system which is effectively two party. The vast majoirty of republican from previous elections voters voted for Trump, which is what won him the election. Had Trump created the Trump party and run he wouldn't have won.

IF that by-election was in my neck of the woods, the BP would have had a landslide.

But it wasn't. It was in Peterborough.

A Party that was only a few months old lost by just over 600 votes (questionable, as it may have been 'rigged' against them, according to some reports).

Hold the front page......

Zipee

I will take your post tongue in cheek.

My point being that Trump won against all the odds. According to MN posters, at the time, he didn't stand a cat in hells chance of becoming the President. But he did.

Like I said - strange times, and times are a changing.....

The party, as we have said, isnt a few months old in anything other than name.

Peterborough was an area with a high leave vote. One issue parties tend not to win many (if any) seats.

@Cersei61 yes, anything is possible.

It's possible that I will marry George Clooney, but it would need a very unusual set of circumstances for that to happen! And I think the same applies to the BP getting a significant number of seats in the GE - possible but vanishingly unlikely.

Trump didn't win "against all odds", he was the candidate for the party which has had its candidate win the presidency 6 times since 1945. Its also the party which is favoured by the electoral college system.

Trump had the machinery of the party at his disposal, once he was their candidate he had a very good chance. Especially due to the partisan nature of US politics, where people won't vote for the other side.

Zipee

My point still stands - MUMSNET posters, at the time, were VERY adamant indeed, that Americans were not stupid enough to vote in Trump. They did.

But thank you for your insight into the American voting system.

Lots of mumsnet posters at the time were very pro Trump.

In fact the American people didn't vote for Trump, he lost the popular vote and won only because he won a few swing states in the electoral college.