Boris

[ChangeMyWorld]

It's going to be Boris, isn't it. Shoot me now.

And I never got a reply from Copper as to which ECJ ruling personally messed up her life.

I wonder how she will feel if the NHS goes down the swanee and she has to say pay £12K for a hip replacement, will she think that yes, this was wholly worth it? She has to find a lot of money for something once free at the point of use, but no matter it's worth it because we have got rid of hated laws that affect most Leavers so little that they can't name them.

Are you pissing on the magic fairy dreams again @1tisILeClerc . Tut tut

when this came up in the 'active conversations' list, I thought it was a baby name suggestion

From the independent article linked a short while back:

{“I think what they will see is that politics has changed in the UK and in Europe, they have now 29 Brexit MEPs in Strasbourg,” Mr Johnson argued – while again vowing to deliver a no-deal Brexit on 31 October, if the EU refused.}

Boris can't even get this correct.
With a 'No deal' Brexit there will be no UK MEPs in Brussels. The UK will be out and have no representation in Europe.

Even if the UK did remain, and the MEPs chose to be 'disruptive' in debates in Brussels, they will be within 700 or so and their impact will be limited.

Even if the Brexit MEPs do take their seats, how many will actually bother to turn up to do the job? Farage won't going on past form. Widdicombe and Ms Rees-Mogg, I think probably would do. As for the rest ????

There will be 'naysayers' and others with perhaps even more extreme points of view from other countries within the EU so in reality it is not a great deal to 'fear'.

They don’t even trust him to speak freely during the leadership campaign but think he is appropriate to represent this country as pm. Bring on indyref 2. My vote would be different this time

I care naught what you think clerc - you are a constant drip, drip of passionless, humourless negativity, a little bit robotic, though probably all human as we're not all hewn from the same block.

You described the rest of the MN Boards as "too depressing" for you so you prefer to just stay on this Board - but you are so grey and bland too....

I find Peregrina, Clavinova and bellini far better reads.

You prefer the reems of links clav posts to whatever thing she thinks backs up her point?

Leclerc is at least entertaining

I enjoy the balance of Clav vs Pere posts as they each represent acceptable limit polar differences Zip

I agree with most of what bellini says although we Ref voted differently we would have both passed TM's WA if we were MPs not just posters on an internet forum.

Each to their own in terms of entertainment of course but I find a cardboard box far more entertaining (and useful) than clerc.

He lives in Cheese Land apparently - so very well placed to tell the UK electorate how stupid they are; which after a few hundred posts gets a bit dull. IMO.

HateIsNotGood
Since I am now on MN primarily for the 'news' and debate on Brexit, as a better overview than the BBC/SKY/and the range of 'newspapers' I have no need of other 'great insights'.
Although I may not be resident in the UK now I have many friends and family from living there for nearly 60 years who will be seriously impacted by the shitshow of Brexit, and indeed will everyone in Europe to a greater or lesser extent. My feelings are with them.
While Leavers and many politicians keep banging on and lying about how 'great' leaving the EU will be, I don't see why anyone should put up with these lies, and they need calling out.
Present even a half worked out plan of where the UK is going when it leaves, and HOW it will manage to either retain the 'greatness' that the UK had, let alone improve on it, then I will listen. So far it is empty slogans and lies.
There are around 7 billion people on the planet, and so far the only ones I have met that have been unpleasant are Leavers/Brexiteers.

LeClerc, please can you give me the evidence thar 43million people did not want to leave the EU.

Many people were too young to vote.
Many people did not bother to vote.
All you can really say is that more people expressed a wish to leave than expressed a wish to remain.
So stop making things up.

17.4 million out of an electorate of 45 million voted to leave. Hardly an overwhelming mandate.

Peregrina,
I have just noticed your post. I have been busy.

I have never said anywhere that the ECJ has messed up my life. Why did you make that up.
You and I have crossed about this many times on these boards.
I believe that the laws of the UK should be made in the UK by UK lawmakers ie. by our own government.
I also believe they should be upheld by our own judges in our own courts. It should not be possible for them to be overruled by a court in another country.

What is not clear about that?

Come on LeClerc, where is your evidence that 43 million people want to remain?

UK laws should be made by UK lawmakers?

So we aren't going to follow international law?

If you don't want to be over ruled by courts in other countries then we best not sign trade deals as they all have courts of arbitration too.

Bad news @Coppersulphate - you know that CE marking stuff you see on things. We will need to comply with whatever those rules are when we do our fabulous new trade deal with the EU. Only we won't get a say in them. And if we fuck up in an international trade deal, it is the international courts that will sanction us.

{Come on LeClerc, where is your evidence that 43 million people want to remain?}

Why should I tell you?
Leavers /brexiteers have failed to come up with solid reasons for leaving that are actually truthful and have had 3 years to do so. They have also failed to come up with a plan that is not going to destroy the country financially.

What is not clear about that?

copper can you name 1 ECJ ruling you disagree with?

LeClerc. You mean you can't tell me because you have just made it up. Unicorns come to mind.

Bear. Firstly, the courts that deal with trade issues are courts of arbitration only for trade disputes. They do not deal with other, more general laws.
Secondly, it is the principle of law making that I don't like. The EU have no business interfering in our legal system. It is the principle of it that I do not agree with.
And, Bear, you know this because I am sick of saying it on these boards.

So, not one law, or ant particular law or judgement but the entirety of it.
I am talking about the laws of this country which affect those of us who live here (no you LeClerc, you live in cloud cuckoo land). Obviously, as a country we will continue to abide by international laws.

And the WTO court of arbitration will deal with international trade disputes.

Now, is that clear.

Zippe, international law is completely different from domestic law.
We both know this so stop being daft.

Please tell us the ECJ law that is ruining your life. Which one or ones? Identify them if you actually know any.

I'm a remainer, by the way. So if whoever wins fails to get us out of the EU (and wrecks the Conservative Party by doing that), then that's fine with me.

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But international law is not set by our lae makers and we abide by it, trade law isn't either, we will have to have other countries approve our WTO schedules too.

You also realise that the UK and UK elected representitives are part of the law making process of the EU?