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It's going to be Boris, isn't it. Shoot me now.

Thank god @Coppersulphate says that No Deal won't trash the economy. I was worried there for a minute but now I am completely reassured.

{Thank god @Coppersulphate says that No Deal won't trash the economy. I was worried there for a minute but now I am completely reassured.}

So I can look forward to the exchange rate regaining the 10% it has lost in the last 3 years and maybe it will get better than that. What a relief.
As long as Citizens rights stay as they were then it will all be 'spiffing'.
That only leaves the NI border to sort out.

There is nothing wrong with admitting you are wrong over this issue

So many Brexiters haven’t accepted this yet and that is the reason for the ongoing crisis...

Lonely planet, "between 2003 etc 83 cases were opened against the UK for not following EU law".

Who opened these cases?

When we are out of the EU we won't have to follow EU law so I am fine with that.

And stop scaremongering about the US. Of course we will not be following US law.
Your exaggeration is amusing me, so perhaps, after all, you should carry on.

Any trade deal will have rules on competition, environment and other areas that the ECJ covers and so be in the jurisdiction of any court of arbitration.

Any EU trade deal will follow EU law.

{And stop scaremongering about the US. Of course we will not be following US law.}

Have you checked up on the regulations around trading with the USA and the fact that it is very heavily 'USA sided'? You sell to the USA on their terms, you don't get to negotiate.

Who signed up to this hated EU law? You pretend it has been forced upon us, we were signatories to ALL of it, indeed wrote a great deal of it too.

and as said by Zippie, we will follow EU law in anycase, with or without any future trade deal, any UK company wishing to export to EU will need to follow their rules on safety, design, regulatory & rules of origin.
no doubt abiding by ECJ judgements too lol!

You remind me of a confused investor who has just been scammed but can't accept it was all their own fault.

So goody goody - we can trash environmental laws when we are out of the EU. Wasn't the UK known as the dirty man of Europe? (That should have been W Europe because I don't think the Communist bloc were any better.)

Oh what fun it was, for those of you who remember Rhyl in the 1950s where the sea goes out a long way, to paddle near the sewage outflows. A good dose of faecal contamination never did me any harm. . The worst thing was, we just accepted that this was the way it was, that something should be done about it didn't cross many minds.

....All those signs next to new roads and bridges that say "Paid for by the EU..."

I reckon lots of people thought that meant the sign was paid for by the EU.

Meanwhile, it seems like only yesterday we were being told that what matters is there must be a contest and not another coronation, only now we're being told we must have another coronation and not a contest.

Wooo-hooo! Take Back Control!

copper have you realised yet that we won’t be leaving the ECHR?

@Coppersulphate

Cases can be opened by the European Commission or by member states (and in rarer cases by individuals, companies and organisations), or national courts my make referrals for clarification.

This is quite basic stuff - surely you’d understand this to be able to form an opinion on the workings of the ECJ?

@peregrina

Given how many environmental cases have ended up in the ECJ it does seem that the UK will need to up its game on the environmental front after Brexit. Can’t see that happening though, given how protecting the environment is expensive.

Oh what fun it was, for those of you who remember Rhyl in the 1950s where the sea goes out a long way, to paddle near the sewage outflows

Exactly what the 1991 waste water directive was aimed at dealing with - treating at source not trying to manage standards at the end point. Which is the one the UK (as are other countries) is being held to account over, as it’s expensive to deal with at source.

LeClerc, selling to the US on their terms I'd different from importing US laws here, eg gun laws will not be imported.
Trade arrangements are totally different from laws that ordinary citizens have to live under.

Bear, of course I have realised that we will not be leaving the ECHR. It has nothing to do with the EU.

Mu understanding was that Gun laws were a State issue rather than a Federal one. But that's only one set of laws. There has been significant debate about US food laws, which if we are desperate to do trade deals with them, we will be likely to have to accept.

The EU doesn't control our gun laws either.

In fact the laws that are covered by the ECJ will also be covered in trade deals.

LeClerc, selling to the US on their terms I'd different from importing US laws here, eg gun laws will not be imported.
Trade arrangements are totally different from laws that ordinary citizens have to live under.

But the issue is that trade tariffs are a poweful way of furthering political agendas.

Coppersulphate
Since you are so 'clued up' how about running through the various scenarios with Trump putting trade tariffs on China and Mexico, and demanding that the UK does not use 5G from Huewai otherwise it will refuse to cooperate on security. The UK wants to buy the gear and is being 'warned' by China that not going ahead will 'make them unhappy' which in Chinese terms means the UK will have big problems.
Then, how will the looming US/Iran 'argument' pan out and if Iran successfully chokes of about a third of the worlds oil production/supply, will the UK be able to weather that storm?

of course I have realised that we will not be leaving the ECHR. It has nothing to do with the EU.

OK so you understand that we will still be part of a body which does actually overrule the decisions of UK courts but that’s fine as long as we get to leave one that doesn’t.

That makes perfect sense. 🤔

Well I am really looking forward to Boris possibly becoming our new PM.

Hopefully he will make a right mess of it and fling the doors wide open for the Brexit Party to step in and do what this country voted for.

17.4M voted LEAVE. The ones that were too young to vote do not count. And the ones that didn't vote count even less - their laziness/apathy is not our problem.

This country needs a damn good kick up the backside, and Boris is just the man for the job. :)

Who in the Brexit party comes within a whisker of competence? I would possibly say Ann Widdicombe - who was an MP and did hold office. But the other shambolic crew? The only thing Farage sorts out is where he can find the nearest pub, and has he got enough fags.

Hopefully he will make a right mess of it and fling the doors wide open for the Brexit Party to step in and do what this country voted for

It will never happen. The Brexit Party is a one trick unicorn, UKIP 2.0, everyone knows that. Tories will vote for BP in EU elections and by-elections (just like they did UKIP) but not in a GE.

LeClerc, are you saying that Brexit is responsible for the situation in Iran.

The situation with the Chinese phone company and 5G has nothing to,do with Brexit.

I don't know whether you are pretending to be stupid, are stupid, or are just trying to spread panic.

You are wasting your time trying to bait me. Go and do something useful.

tallertales

I wouldn't be too sure about that.

President Trump? I remember the same sort of thing being said, on here, about him.

The BP has a HUGE following and are being encouraged to wait in the wings for the next chapter of this sorry tale.

A GE is open to EVERYONE, not just the 'tories'.

Very interesting times ahead, that's for sure.

Taller, no, you are wrong.

In the past maybe, but party members are really annoyed that Brexit hasn't happened. I think this time they will be prepared to vote for the Brexit party to ensure it happens.

I am a paid up member of the Tory party and would vote Brexit in a GE if it looked like Brexit was not going ahead. So would many of my family and friends.