Boris

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It's going to be Boris, isn't it. Shoot me now.

ON a bike. I'm so gobsmacked I can't even curse properly.

Re the comment about how it doesn’t matter who wins ultimately, as long as they get us out of the EU, I really don’t get how this hatred for the Eu trumps concern for the well being of the country and it’s people.

Totally agree with this, especially as ‘get us out of the EU’ seems to mean little more to the likes of copper than simply be8ng able to say we are out of the EU.

I’ve long since believed that if the Daily Mail ran a headline tomorrow saying ‘We’ve left’ all this mess would be over, because it wouldn’t occur to most leavers that nothing had changed as it never affected them anyway.

I didn't know about the US tax issues!
He has some skeletons doesn't he?

I can't believe that any remain voters think having Boris Johnson in charge is a good thing

Boris never even believed leaving the EU was the right thing to do when he was leading the Leave campaign!

He jus5 thought he’d end up the hero for tryouts no but failing to win.

He was right royally screwed when he actually went and won, hence him bottling the last leadership campaign.

It’s now or never for him but he still knows Leaving is going to be a disaster.

He does have the balls and complete lack of morals to completely u-turn on everything he’s said in support of Leave and potentially revoke or at least sign the WA and leave with a deal.

Spot on bearbehind. And the boneheaded certainty that they are right despite the impact statements, produced by the government, the predictions of the CBI, BOE etc At one time people would accept that they’d made the wrong call and change their minds based on more compelling evidence but now they almost revel in their ignorance. It’s like it’s some kind of reality tv show
for them Which come Oct 31 will suddenly end

Ok, so Boris doesn't deliver 'hard Brexit. '
He talks everyone round, or gets a different deal ( tweaks the old one somehow) waffles on and keeps the daily mail readers happy ; then just hopes it all fades away.
Keeping Nigel at bay might prove more difficult though esp if it comes out the 39 billion did change hands ( which it will have to )
he needs to find a way of keeping him and Ann W off his back he might pull it off. Just.
it's all still a poisoned chalice though. I've not heard much about the DUP : would they side with this?

I'm still not totally convinced it's the big plan but then a don't think any of them have much a plan really. It might be all they can go with though.

"Boris will be good. I would prefer Michael Gove but still at least Boris will get us out of the EU."

Wtf have I just read?

Boris will be good

No coincidence that this country has the lowest literacy rates in northern Europe.

This man knows his demographic well.

He does have the balls and complete lack of morals to completely u-turn on everything he’s said in support of Leave and potentially revoke or at least sign the WA and leave with a deal.

thats just unicorn thinking- theres nothing to suggest he is thinking of this, nothing at all.

the cons i heard on the radio thought boris was great because he'd cheer us all up.

Cheer us all up! Good god , if that's all they can come up with I dead to think what will happen.
He was witty once ( about a decade / London Olympics ago) and he can play to the galleries more than T May could, but you need more than this to get past the Brexit problems ( plus lots of other things that have been on the back burner for years and years)

Fair point @Helmetbymidnight . Do I anticipate him doing a U-turn? No, not really. Do I think he's capable of it if it serves Boris better, hell, yes.
I can't say that about any of the others. Doesn't mean I like them. Just means they are more reliable in their positions.

What's even worse - as someone raised on another thread - is when you think who Boris could choose as an ultimate Leaver cabinet.

Mark Francois? John Deadwood?

Mark Francois would bring back National service!

thats just unicorn thinking- theres nothing to suggest he is thinking of this, nothing at all.

Nothing apart from the fact he’s shamelessly u-turned when it suits him before

And

He knows leaving, especially with no deal, will put him down in history as the worst PM ever (and after TM, that’s quite an achievement)

I'm a remainer and I hate the tories but if I had to pick one of them it would be Rory. He just seems the most level headed, intelligent and realistic rather than coming out with wild statements that can't be backed up. I realise like pp that he won't appeal enough to hardcore beleavers.
Not keen on Gove but he would be better than Boris.
I think it will be Boris, it's as if it's already been decided. He may have been funny years ago on that panel show but how anyone can find him funny with his comments about letter boxes, bum boys and spaffing up the wall . I think he wants the top job purely to satisfy his ego. I think he'll crash out with no deal because that's what farages fans want. It'll all go tits up but he'll just spin it as following 'the will of the people', maybe blame the bully eu.

Cheer us all up! Good god
Sorry, but it's too late
No one has the 'right' to live in a humane, liberal, internationalist democracy. (Least of all the English, with their history) We are about to find that out. In spades.

will put him down in history as the worst PM ever
I bet he's really scared.

I think lots of MPs are self serving twits, although I accept not all of them. To get to the top you have to be pretty ruthless.
Teresa May ultimately didn’t have the metal to deal with Brexit, she tried to please everyone and in the end it back fired.
Boris Johnson said he’d lay on the tarmac of Heathrow to stop another runway being built, then conveniently left the country and so didn’t vote. It was approved anyway.
I’m not convinced either that he was a true leaver, I think it was all bluff to push Cameron out.
To be honest I blame Labour Party members for not getting a decent leader.
We’ve had 9 years of austerity and public services cut to the bone, and the Tories are still winning elections.
The answer is to get rid of Corbin, it must be clear that the country doesn’t want him in number 10. Labour could have won a landslide with a decent centre left leader.
Therefore, Boris will be PM in July.

He's so untrustworthy , he's capable of doing a u turn on Brexit once he realizes he's the fall guy for the ERG Brexit shit show. So there's a chance his utter ineptitude could work in Remain's favour.

I think lots of MPs are self serving twits, although I accept not all of them. To get to the top you have to be pretty ruthless

Most really aren't.

But, the plebiscite has been succesfully convinced that their elected representative, MPs, are 'self serving twits'.

Hence, 'brexit'.

I agree....I have a lot of respect for many MPs. It's just unfortunate that decent, hard working MPs who have a collaborative approach and vote for the best for the country rather than party tend to stay in the backbenches.

Not always, but most of the time.

Those on the front benches who get the air time are the ruthless, sell your grandmother to get ahead, career politician types who pull the party line. Again, not always, but far too often.

I thought he packed in his dual citizenship when the US came after him for some tax?

As a dual national, i think it would wrong to have someone with dual citizenship in Number 10 or as Defense Secretary. These are two very sensitive high office positions. I'd make a choice and give up the other one if I were running for those.

To clarify, anyone with the power to declare war or implement a war plan shouldn't ever be doubted by others - even if they're very clear for themselves which side they're on.

To be honest I blame Labour Party members for not getting a decent leader.

No, the initial blame must attach to Cameron. Labour's lack of a decent leader is secondary.

We’ve had 9 years of austerity and public services cut to the bone, and the Tories are still winning elections.

They didn't win the last one, despite predictions of 100 seat majorities. They didn't win in the Local Elections, they didn't win in the Euro elections, they didn't win in Peterborough. The last two you might lay the blame at the door of the Brexit party; you can't for the Local elections.

obvs, i wish you were right bear. i think hes calamitous- and the whole world knows he is which isn't good...

Nothing apart from the fact he’s shamelessly u-turned when it suits him before

so many have- u turning shamelessly is a feature of out time- tmay wont call an election oh wait...dcameron wont resign oh wait- all leaders are capable of u-turning and i would say the fact that boris has this reputation means he's less rather than more likely to turn on this question.

And

He knows leaving, especially with no deal, will put him down in history as the worst PM ever (and after TM, that’s quite an achievement

no- he will say it was everyone elses fault but his. he is surrounded by brexiteers now- he is in it too deep to manoeuvre.

people place such faith in boris- its mysterious- hes a-bit like brexit itself - all things to all people but nothing of substance.

Jonathan Lis tweeted a thread earlier today about Johnson not even believing that the UK should end FoM (and Johnson's subsequent obfuscation when he was uncovered )

twitter.com/jonlis1/status/1139067505094402049