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Westminstenders: Tory Natural Selection

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RedToothBrush · 08/06/2019 13:09

Here we go again...

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BigChocFrenzy · 12/06/2019 19:02

Amazing, taking back control means .....

160,000 people will choose the next PM,
because they paid the £25 Tory membership fee at least 3 months earlier - and have a UK postal address.

Unlike the referendum or a GE, Russians and Saudis etc can vote for the PM

BigChocFrenzy · 12/06/2019 19:03

At least the band on the Titanic all played the same tune

colouringinpro · 12/06/2019 19:08

Watching Ch4 News and seeing these Tory MPs say they 100% trust him!!! WTF???!!!

gutrotweins · 12/06/2019 19:09

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3640768/Browns-looking-for-a-Scottish-ally.html?fbclid=IwAR2HVIc4TrsSHtrWPWQL_OK8IZF55GlClwJi_zbOM-4Ey3l-8yr1UG5GpYI

Paragraph 8 is interesting - shows Johnson is a total two-faced tosser ...

... but I do have a sneaking feeling that he thinks no-deal is a bad, bad idea.

lonelyplanetmum · 12/06/2019 19:12

Unlike the referendum or a GE, Russians and Saudis etc can vote for the PM

And Americans " Boris is a friend of mine. They are two very good guys, very interesting people."

Good ?- definition

Noun That which is morally right

Adjective to be desired or approved of; having the required qualities; of a high standard.

Random18 · 12/06/2019 19:15

@gutrotweins I think Boris thinks Brexit is a very bad idea

He made in bad miscalculation in 2016 but he’s got to stick to it now.

Even if he things No Deal is a bad idea he has to go through with it.

Unless he can find a way to revoke and be the hero of the Tory party.

Bojo is not at all patriotic - something a PM should be. His only
Concern is himself

colouringinpro · 12/06/2019 19:15

"Does Boris Johnson have a moral compass?" Cathy Newman

"I'm sure Boris knows what he wants" JRM

AutumnCrow · 12/06/2019 19:21

JRM is revolting himself, backing Boris Johnson. And I mean that on many levels.

AutumnCrow · 12/06/2019 19:22

Rory Stewart is being a tit now

BigChocFrenzy · 12/06/2019 19:44

He thinks no-deal is fine if it gets him elected PM
So is Soylent Green, if that helps him too

He doesn't do longterm planning
He'll enjoy the perks, including the future prospect of earning even more as an ex-PM on speeches than his current 700k

When he gets bored, or it gets too difficult, he'll run away like Cameron did

That's what Bullingdon Club boys do after they've wrecked the place

Grumpyyetgorgeous · 12/06/2019 19:58

Rory Stewart is being a tit now

@AutumnCrow what's he said/done?

BigChocFrenzy · 12/06/2019 21:02

HoC Brexit Committee

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/12/no-deal-brexit-will-be-commercial-suicide-manufacturers-tell-mps

Seamus Nevin, the chief economist with Make UK, which represents some of the country’s largest manufacturers, said:

“There is a direct link between politicians talking up the prospect of no deal and British firms losing customers overseas and British people losing jobs.

A no-deal Brexit would be nothing short of commercial suicide.”

He told the House of Commons Brexit select committee that
some businesses were already “downsizing or completely shutting down in the UK"

Some were very profitable and leaders in their sector, but were struggling because of the political uncertainty.

Nevin said he was aware of one company, which he could not name because of a confidentiality agreement, that was planning to quit Britain.

“That will result in several thousand job losses,”

he said adding that a no-deal Brexit “would be nothing short of an act of economic vandalism”
and “undo 25 years of economic progress and consign a generation of highly skilled workers to the scrapheap”.
...
Tim Rycroft, the chief operating officer with the Food and Drink Federation, said
shortages of food would begin to appear within two weeks of a no-deal Brexit.

Fresh fruit and vegetables would be held up on the Calais-Dover journey because of mandatory food health checks,

but so too would processed chicken originating in the UK, he said.
“We produce a lot of chicken but they are sent to [the] EU for processing and then re-imported.”

Rycroft said bread and confectionery were other foodstuffs that would be affected, as the UK did not produce enough dried milk or high-protein wheat.
He said:
“We will see selective shortages and probably unpredictably and that might go on for several weeks and potentially months after a no-deal exit.”

Nevin also challenged claims that the port of Calais would be able to deliver a frictionless Brexit in the event of a crash-out.
He told MPs the port had done a trial of sanitary and phytosanitary tests that would be mandatory on the EU side and this had led to long delays.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/06/2019 21:07

Tentatively good news from the USA, but very early days yet

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/12/trump-2020-presidential-election-polling-results

A day after a surveyy^ found at least six Democraticc presidential candidates would defeat Trump in a head-to-head election matchup,^

the president revived his attacks on the media while dismissing the numbers as, in his view, “fake polling”.

TatianaLarina · 12/06/2019 21:13

Nevin also challenged claims that the port of Calais would be able to deliver a frictionless Brexit in the event of a crash-out. He told MPs the port had done a trial of sanitary and phytosanitary tests that would be mandatory on the EU side and this had led to long delays.

But - Clavinova said that Andrea Leadsom said that everything would be fine.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/06/2019 21:15

"Boris really wants a GE ?" Hmm

Big gamble, but difficult to see a better choice for him

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/12/boris-johnson-brexit-general-election

The intention is to set the stage for a snap general election in October, where he will blame an intransigent and unreasonable EU – the same game he has played for nearly 30 years.

If an October general election does occur, no deal will in all likelihood be the Conservative manifesto,
a political imperative created by the rise of the Brexit party and by May’s years of foolish posturing that “no deal is better than a bad deal”.

Expect Nigel Farage to stand down his army of Brexit extremists once he has achieved his goal of radicalising the Conservatives.
< Really ? Hmm Consistent reports that he wants to destroy them. He might do a deal though >

Meanwhile, Labour’s strategic dithering could turn out to be a colossal error.

If the right unites but progressive remainers splinter between Labour, the Liberal Democrats and Greens, then Johnson could be handed victory.
< Yep >

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2019 21:17

Boris goes for GE. And then loses his seat.

That would be fun...

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RedToothBrush · 12/06/2019 21:18

I wouldn't rule out a deliberate decapitation pact strategy by the opposition in Boris constituency either...

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AutumnCrow · 12/06/2019 21:19

Grumpy he's defending how he voted in the HoC very poorly. But that's imho.

He's the best of the bunch nevertheless.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/06/2019 21:19

Strange, but Brexiters believe the Mayor of Calais, whose claims that all will go well after Brexit are about as reliable as theirs

BigChocFrenzy · 12/06/2019 21:26

Rory votes like a Tory .... because he is one

I judge him as a Tory with moderate views on Brexit, who is looking for compromise and ways to heal the Brexit divide

Obviously he won't vote like a Labour, LDem or SNP

georgedawes · 12/06/2019 21:33

Lurker here. I'm worried about a GE and the tories getting a majority due to the remain vote splitting and general disillusionment with labour my remainers.

I'm in a labour/tory marginal where the lib dem vote collapsed last time. The local labour MP has worked tirelessly and despite my misgivings about the top of the party, I would have no hesitation in voting for her. However, if the lib dems/greens took some of her votes at a general election, and the brexit party disintegrated, you could see how the tories could get back in. With the fixed term parliament act, the tories would undoubtedly go for no deal if they got back in...

I'm very worried about no deal now, more than I've ever been. I don't think the labour party can hold it together a second time.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/06/2019 21:37

Boris has an excellent sense of self-preservation
and sadly I expect his majority would increase if he became PM

TheABC · 12/06/2019 21:37

Just seen a report in the Independent about the cabinet planning - pharma manufacturers need 6 to 8 months to stockpile for a no deal. So the October deadline will screw anyone who is reliant on life saving medication. I hope everyone voting for this next leader is hearty and well.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/06/2019 21:39

I'm sure the other parties would make a major effort to unseat him, but I doubt they would succeed

We can't go by local or EP elections, because he is more popular than his party

BigChocFrenzy · 12/06/2019 21:40

Or well off, ABC
so they can go abroad for a few days, see a doctor and get their meds in that country

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