Westminstenders: Tory Natural Selection

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Here we go again...

Very true, @BCF. Who needs a local pharmacist when you can Chanel hop?

Most likely, the party members will dismiss it as Project Fear. Bloody Government, looking at logistics. Who do they think they are?

Did anyone catch Iain Duncan Smith on Pm this afternoon? He was repeating absolute garbage about GATT 24 and all the 'deals' that are in place already to manage no deal. Absolutely no challenge back. It was infuriating.

Has anyone else noticed how much better May is looking : the years have fair dropped off her (she's already looking 10+ years younger) and she even seems more able to talk more easily and in a less stilted way in interviews

Cameron looked younger too, in recent photos

10 Tories and 8 Labour MPs defied the party whip on no-deal vote

Tories (Remainers / soft Brexiters:
Guto Bebb (Aberconwy), Kenneth Clarke (Rushcliffe), Jonathan Djanogly (Huntingdon), Justine Greening (Putney), Dominic Grieve (Beaconsfield), Sam Gyimah (East Surrey), Phillip Lee (Bracknell), Oliver Letwin (West Dorset), Antoinette Sandbach (Eddisbury), Caroline Spelman (Meriden).

Labour No Dealers (WHY ?):
Kevin Barron (Rother Valley), Ronnie Campbell (Blyth Valley), Jim Fitzpatrick (Poplar and Limehouse), Caroline Flint (Don Valley), Stephen Hepburn (Jarrow), Kate Hoey (Vauxhall), John Mann (Bassetlaw), Graham Stringer (Blackley and Broughton).

By my count, that means atm
too few Tories for the HoC to stop No Deal, because of the number of Labour No Dealers

I'd expect no more Tories - in fact maybe fewer - if it came to bringing down the govt to stop No Deal

Hi George I’m in a marginal too but Tory incumbent extended his majority considerably when UKIP didn’t stand in 2017. It is also one of the seats Labour would need to regain if they wanted to be in power. However it is very Brexity and it seems that Labour voters have found other things to do on election Thursdays these days. I have no idea who I would vote for if there were a GE in October.

It's all going so well... Time to check the forward purchasing pile I think.

I think I may have reached the point where I think no deal Brexit has to happen because if it doesn't people will continue to vote for Nigel Farage and his shower of shits Brexit party. Then they'll end up running the country because a lot of disgruntled leavers voted them if. Crashing out of the EU will give leavers what they want so badly and they will pretty soon realise what a mess Nigel, Boris and their cronies have created.

Grumpyyetgorgeous I hate to say it but I have a feeling you may be right. Something has got to give soon. We can't keep going round in circles.

I do my best to suppress those feelings - even though Brexit would help bring forward something that I believe in (Scottish Independence) - because I couldn't have the consequent harm to the poorest and most vulnerable in society (let alone the rest of us ) on my conscience

So I'm selfish and self centred or maintaining awareness of the bigger picture Take your pick

Nothing "indecent" about being a conservative
My dear late best friend was one and we had brilliant debates

Only indecent if you pose as being on the left (or maybe fool yourself, possibly Hoey does ?)
Equally nok for a socialist to pretend to be a Tory

Brexit: Leaked cabinet note admits UK not ready for no-deal exit on October 31, blowing hole in Boris Johnson leadership pledge

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-boris-johnson-medicine-supply-drug-stockpile-nhs-a8955021.html

It will take “six to eight months” to build up supplies of medicines for a no-deal Brexit,
a leaked cabinett^ note says
.....
The warning says the pharmaceutical industry needs that period of help from the government
^ “to ensure adequate arrangements are in place to build stockpiles of medicines”.^

It also says that it would take “at least 4-5 months” to make traders ready for the new border checks that might be required, including incentives to register for fresh schemes.
....
It states that, while government departments had delivered around 85 per cent of their “core no-deal plans”,
many of those provided only “a minimum viable level of capability”.
.....
The confidential cabinet warning comes after Chris Grayling axed the notorious contracts for ferries to bring in emergency medicines – including with a firm with no ferries.

At Tuesday’s cabinet meeting,
the transport secretary is reported to have warned that that how to bring in freight remained an urgent issue that had to be addressed
< you're Transport SoS and you STILL have no idea >

What an almighty shitshow this continues to be. What was that about not wasting time?

Crashing out of the EU will give leavers what they want so badly and they will pretty soon realise what a mess Nigel, Boris and their cronies have created.

Sadly from what I've seen over the past couple of years I don't believe they will ever recognise this; they will latch on to other reasons/excuses and continue to keep their blinkers on

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*they will pretty soon realise what a mess Nigel, Boris and their cronies [ and the voters themselves] have createdi.

No that realisation will never ever happen. Never.

It will be either:

1. The fault of the EU for not giving us the benefits without being members. Or

1. It will be the fault of the fact we were in the EU for to long before. Or

1. It will be the result of a world recession. Or

1. The decline would have happened anyway. Or

1. It will be the fault that we haven't evicted enough EU and non EU born residents. Or

1. It will be the fault of the businesses who closed or left the UK. Or or or

Sorry, but thinking that there will be some great denouement or Damascene conversion is superficially plausible but ignores the fact that the Brexit faith is founded in feelings.

It's is entirely specious to believe that the scales will ever fall from the eyes of the minority of believers.

We're (friends and family) beginning to notice a real shortage of stocks in pharmacies at the moment. Some medicines taking days to arrive. And these aren't odd medicines that ever used to need ordering in either. Makes me really worry for anyone reliant on medication just to survive.

There's a line in the HBO Chernobyl series where the main scientist says that lies incur a debt to the truth - i.e. you can lie for a while but the truth will out. I thought of that yesterday listening to Iain Duncan Smith lying.

BCF
You mentioned the Mayor of Calais saying he is 'organised' was that from several months back or has he restated that?
I wonder if his idea of ready (a massive lorry park) so that trucks can wait a day or so without getting in the way, and an UK perception of ready (hundreds of extra customs booths and staff to 'person' them all) may 'lost in translation'?

Do anyone know the dates for Westminster summer recess? I know it's usually in line with school holidays. So after the selection of the new PM in July they are all going to swan off for 6 weeks with the country in limbo, leaving about 6 weeks to get back to work and prepare for crashing out of the EU

Inclined to agree with @lonelyplanetmum on this.
They have a track record for blaming everyone else. I suspect that when we No Deal and it goes tits up it will be other people's fault.

Nick Eardley @nickeardleybbc
^First ballot of Tory MPs in leadership contest today.

Candidates need 17 votes to stay in the race.

We’ll also find out how many votes each candidates gets - the first concrete signal of how much support they all have.^

Results just after 1pm.

Likely at least one candidate will be eliminated today but could be more. Next hurdle will be Tuesday when the threshold to stay in goes up to 33.

Will Rory Stewart get 17 votes. I know he’s never going to win, but I would like him to stay in the race as long as possible. He’s the only one that has a grip on reality.