Westminstenders: Tory Natural Selection

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Here we go again...

Oh shit.

I need to up my stockpiling efforts

@BethRigby
Must be huge relief in whips office. But this was a Corbyn backed vote, hard for Tories to support. Wait for the cross-party backbench move.

(Beth RIgby was booed by tory 'men' at that press conference. Just like the yellow vests do to Kay Burley. not envy)

My stockpile still in tact anyway. Feels a bit like it's as much use as a nuclear bunker in my garden

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Must be huge relief in whips office. But this was a Corbyn backed vote, hard for Tories to support. Wait for the cross-party backbench move.

ooops just repeating you there, @ woman19

I actually think that was pretty close for a Corbyn vote when the Tory leadership election is still ongoing.
The mood music in FMCG seems a bit different this time, less effort to stock pile and more emphasis on de prioritising the UK markets. Businesses aren't going to keep putting themselves through this expensive excerise.

Looks like we've already left. Or now Leavers have served their purpose, are they surplus to requirements ?

www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/12/uk-accused-silently-eroding-eu-pesticide-rules-brexit-laws

The UK has been accused of “silently eroding” key environmental and human health protections in the Brexit-inspired rush to convert thousands of pages of European Union pesticide policy into British law.

Despite government claims the process would be little more than a technical exercise, analysis by the University of Sussex’s UK Trade Policy Observatory (UKTPO) has uncovered significant departures from EU regulations, including the removal of a blanket ban on hormone-disrupting chemicals, which are known to cause adverse health effects such as cancer, birth defects and immune disorders.

(contd)

Or now Leavers have served their purpose, are they surplus to requirements ?

Or opening up the way to those deals with the US?

The UK has been accused of “silently eroding” key environmental and human health protections in the Brexit-inspired rush to convert thousands of pages of European Union pesticide policy into British law.

But since we haven't left yet, and for all the Boris bluster we might not do, what happens to those laws? Do we quietly scrap them again?

Crikey: Labour's @gareth_snell says he "made a mistake," in not voting for the PM's deal at the third opportunity. He will abstain, rather than backing his party's bid to block no deal today.

Where would Brexit be without the Labour MPs supporting Tory policy.

I hope the membership see fit to deselect them. I am tired of hearing how people who aren't committed enough to join the various parties are courted more than those who get involved and do the work. In Labour's case, the majority of members are for Remain.

Red That article on the jihadis and brain function is amazing

I wonder if the visible difference in brain function happens for people who believe passionately in a cause and shut off their critical analysis,
but where there is no associated organisation for suicide attacks or serious violence

My first thought is that the "Back Boris" script on his blue lecturn thingy is absolutely begging to be "photo shopped!!"

You've definitely been out all day!!!

How did I miss that there was a vote today and MP's defeated a motion seeking to block a no-deal Brexit?

What was the previous vote for? If they do another before Oct 31st and they vote to block it, does it make any difference? This all just feels like time wasting.

It's not as if it actually makes any difference seeing as we are heading there (having not signed WA) anyway, but...what?

Deselection imo is for those who choose on key HoC votes to oppose manifesto policy and disobey 3-line whips to do so
and certainly for those who vote the "wrong" way on No Confidence

An MP is entitled to use their own judgement how to vote and campaign,
but there is a limit to how far any party can tolerate deviation from key official party policy in actual voting, especially votes that could lead to a GE.

If the Tory conference and new PM decide on No Deal and the PM makes key votes on this into 3-line whip,
then any MPs who vote against No Deal, or to bring down the govt in an NC vote, should obviously expect deselection

Similarly, any Labour MP who votes with the govt on NC or No Deal should be deselected

I gather the vote was to try to prevent the govt trying to No Deal, or not doing anything to prevent it.

However, in practice it would be difficult to enforce,
e.g. to require a PM to genuinely request an extension if he didn't want to do so.

Obviously the HoC has no power to vote that the EU do anything

BigChoc so, it was to try to make one of the Tories do some actual work?
Hahahaha.
So, time wasting it is.

I expect that Tories opposed to No Deal would not vote for Labour motions before we have a new PM and even then only for a last ditch NC motion.

I still have doubts if the necessary handful of Tories would actually bring down their own govt when it comes to the crunch.

Also, if polls at that stage - probably October some time after the Tory party conference -
still predict the Tories would have a working majority,
then to prevent No Deal those Tories might have to agree within the 14 day notice period after NC has passed to provide confidence & supply to a Corbyn govt and hence avoid a GE

I saw the comment JC apparently made "you won't be cheering come September!"
What the actual...says the guy who refused to let the people vote down the idiocy? Says the guy who has done nothing but allow people to think Brexit might somehow "work".
Is he trying to beat May's record for antagonistic remarks to the public?

Also DGR that pesticide link is exactly what we expected when this all began; so glad Sussex are keeping watch! However, does this not mean that our products are now not in line with EU regulations, thus nullifying us from trade?

The shift/omission in law also shows Gove up as being complicit in aligning us with US, does it not?

I just hope any other party will highlight that and say they would go through all EU laws and reinstate them in full come the next GE.

There was some rejigging about 4 months ago (time flies when you are watching paint dry!) where ministers took over the control of departments so Foxy overrules the existing trade department.

The relaxing of laws protecting us against pesticides,
Boris's plan of tax cuts for the better off,
people suffering on UC

..... are the kind of thing I would expect a poster genuinely of the left or centre to criticise.

Posts praising Thatcher or Redwood for inspiration and the continual whataboutery / excusing of the Tory rightwing are exactly what a rightwing Brexiter would do
I recognise the strategy

A Lexiter might also criticise Tory & Labour moderates who oppose No Deal, but most of their fire would be concentrated against the Tory right

So May Trumps Fox but Fox trumps Gove?
Very unfortunately whilst in the middle of a leadership bid, eh Gove? I know see why he did a U-turn around that time against a hard Brexit Clearly his department realised this would come out before others.

So May Trumps Fox but Fox trumps Gove?

Like the weirdest game of Paper Scissors Stone ever.