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Westminstenders: Tory Natural Selection

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RedToothBrush · 08/06/2019 13:09

Here we go again...

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DGRossetti · 11/06/2019 15:36

Once you know 50% of the population are below average intelligence, things do make a bit more sense.

My blood gets colder when people witter on about "the law" and "criminals" as if they are ordained in Holy Scripture.

"The Law" is just what any given government of the day says it is. No less - and certainly no more. By the same token, criminals are just who the government says are criminals.

Knee-jerk authoritarians never seem to realise that - until it's too late.

The people who hid Anne Frank were breaking the law; the people who killed her were obeying the law

DGRossetti · 11/06/2019 15:55

Meanwhile it seems criticising the government is reason enough to be ignored.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/11/drugs-expert-barred-from-policy-panel-after-criticising-home-office

A government minister vetoed the appointment of an expert to a public body after vetting found she had criticised the Home Office and called for drug policy reform, it has emerged.

Documents released under a subject access request also reveal that candidates for public bodies now have their social media profiles scrutinised by ministers, including posts regarding the “PM/government”, Windrush, Brexit and anything “diversity-related”.

(contd)

seems a lot of commentators on these boards might not be "suitable" for nodding through government policy without too much fuss.

It's hard to say "shades of Stalins Russia", when it is Stalins Russia.

Who's going to be the first to stop clapping ?

BigChocFrenzy · 11/06/2019 16:05

Juncker says a new Tory leader will not get changes to the WA or the backstop

The EU obviously feels it has to say this every week, for those in the UK who are on drugs and / or dim
i.e. especially the Tory leadership candidates

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/jun/11/tory-leadership-campaigns-hancock-claims-early-commons-brexit-vote-could-lead-to-eu-offering-backstop-concessions-live-news?page=with:block-5cffbed78f0863265fe97c32#block-5cffbed78f0863265fe97c32

1tisILeClerc · 11/06/2019 16:22

Mr Junker was rather diplomatic there.
I would now be tempted to say 'leave before I set the dogs on you'.
The French Brexit secretary lady was saying (I can't find where it was she said it now) that the chance of another extension is getting very slim unless there is 'significant change' from the UK.

DGRossetti · 11/06/2019 16:30

Juncker says a new Tory leader will not get changes to the WA or the backstop

The problem is a lot of moron-tories will read that as a challenge.

Remember, we have a poem, a piece of music, and a national saying that sprang from the Charge of the Light Brigade.

hmmm, could this be a Rossetti meme, poised to go viral ? (I'm a little flushed after being told that a phrase I coined in real life was used in a conference last week ....)

MORONOTORIES - a state of being where the natural intelligence of an organism is subsumed into a larger gestalt at the expense of the individual against their own interests ? Organisms so affected tend to see natural dangers as challenges they encourage others to overcome.

Or maybe not Hmm

As you were.

lonelyplanetmum · 11/06/2019 17:05

Have we seen the news.. In partnership with the Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru, the SNP and the Green Party, Labour will "use an opposition day debate to push forward the vote to give MPs control of the House of Commons agenda on June 25 and prevent a "reckless" Conservative prime minister taking the UK out of the EU without a deal....

Remember those days when calling a bluff on no deal was our main negotiating stance.. I think the EU may have tumbled that bluff by now.

Basilpots · 11/06/2019 17:22

^Some Conservative leadership candidates who support Britain leaving the EU without a deal have suggested that if they became Prime Minister they would "prorogue" Parliament until after Brexit takes place. This would mean Parliament would not meet until after October, so that MPs would not be able to vote against a "No Deal" Brexit.
Would you support or oppose proroguing Parliament in this way^

This is how the question was phrased in the YouGov survey. In fairness to those taking the survey when you put it like that it makes it sound like that not big a deal unless you have been paying attention to the news.

DGRossetti · 11/06/2019 17:35

proroguing

sounds like a new show with Bear Grylls, to be honest.

Traditionally the role of parliament was to dilute the populations stupidity, not magnify it.

MockerstheFeManist · 11/06/2019 18:13

And So It Has Come To This:

Govey has shot himself in the nose and so we are all praying for deliverance from Boris Trump in the shape of Jeremy Spoonerism?????

World. Mad. Gone.

jasjas1973 · 11/06/2019 18:22

Just struggling to grasp that a bunch of predominantly male, right wing, white and elderly tory members are going to choose the man or woman who will be in charge as the UK faces its biggest crisis since WW2.

Quite incredible, it's like we are in some sort of feudal system.

Only Stewart seems to have any comprehension of what's going on, so he'll be out by tomorrow.

tobee · 11/06/2019 18:33

All this Brexit bollocks makes it much easier to see how World War I started.

DGRossetti · 11/06/2019 18:47

All this Brexit bollocks makes it much easier to see how World War I started.

Blackadder: The war started because it was too hard not to have a war ....

woman19 · 11/06/2019 18:48

Wars always start because of cowardice.

Eyewhisker · 11/06/2019 19:00

Just watched Rory Stewart on the BBC - wow!

bbc.in/2R4fByP

jasjas1973 · 11/06/2019 19:13

Pride.
Pride starts wars, usually by old men who are too proud to back down.

In regard to Brexit, that's exactly what we are seeing now.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2019 19:24

Tim Montgomerie @montie
I’m falling a little bit in love with @RoryStewartUK. What a decent man he is.

I’m getting some aggro from fellow Brexiteers for warming to Rory. To be clear: I don’t want him as leader but he’s another Conservative (and with a small ‘c’ too). It’s a good thing to like more than one of the contenders for the Tory crown. We are all family (or should be).

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RedToothBrush · 11/06/2019 19:26

Robert Peston @Peston
@RoryStewartUK electrified this tent. He delivered the most coherent and lyrical launch speech of any candidate. On this showing the Tories have found a proper star. But they will reject him, because his “moderate” views are out of touch with his party. Labour will be relieved

Apparently the launch went really well.

Trouble is there were no Tories there.

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jasjas1973 · 11/06/2019 19:54

R.Stewart and all the other moderate tories should join the LD's, many, if not all, will be deselected in any case.

The tory party is too far gone now.

TatianaLarina · 11/06/2019 20:04

To be clear: I don’t want him as leader but he’s another Conservative (and with a small ‘c’ too).

Whereas Hunt is a big ‘C’. Wink

MockerstheFeManist · 11/06/2019 21:10

Rory Stewart:

"The love child of Eddie Redmayne and Willem Dafoe..."

  • John Oliver, on last night's Last Week Tonight
EarClipper · 11/06/2019 21:15

Is Rory Stewart laying the groundwork so that he'll be seen as the Tory leader to succeed the soon to be selected Tory leader? The one for whom everything will fall apart very quickly.

woman19 · 11/06/2019 21:16

Rory's not voting for the labour motion tomorrow.

tobee · 11/06/2019 21:27

If Rory Stewart is so nice why's he a Tory? That's the only question I feel.

HunkyDory69 · 11/06/2019 21:29

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BigChocFrenzy · 11/06/2019 21:38

Of the Tory candidates, he is by far the best option,
on the liberal wing of the party and seems to deal in facts, not fantasy

However, if you can't stand any Tory, then obviously you won't like him either