Westminstenders: Tory Natural Selection

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Here we go again...

OhLookHeKickedTheBall
That's perfectly normal.
The Maybot would have been OK if she had been pointing in the right direction, listened to the world leaders rather than ERG. Nothing a bit of reprogramming couldn't have sorted out. Basically, whatever you THINK you want to do, actually do the opposite.

Sorry Born - x posting. I'm finding the leadership election as depressing as Trump's visit. At least the latter was over quickly.

I can find humour in the Tory Leadership. Even if its terribly black and dark. I just find rage in Trump.

I just keep waiting for when we hit rock bottom because only then can there be any chance of catharsis.

Maybe the current 4/7 bookies favourite the right honourable Alexander de Pfeffel Johnson is rock bottom. What's his record with staff? Surely there'd be huge civil servant resignations?

Maybe the current 4/7 bookies favourite the right honourable Alexander de Pfeffel Johnson is rock bottom.What's his record with staff?

He charms them...

Mr Stewart, the International Development Secretary, previously served as a junior minister under Mr Johnson in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.

The candidate said he “struggled” with Mr Johnson’s charm, adding: “I like the guy. He’s a very enjoyable, likeable man."

“[He is] impossible to be angry at…every time I felt I was in a rage with him about something, he disarms me."

inews.co.uk/news/politics/tory-leadership-candidate-rory-stewart-boris-johnson-bullshit/

Some more light-hearted fun, courtesy of Jay Rayner:

twitter.com/jayrayner1/status/1138345176223670273?s=12

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/sister-of-murdered-mp-jo-cox-criticises-politicians-for-using-divisive-language-to-stoke-up-violence-a4164256.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true
Sister of murdered MP Jo Cox criticises politicians for using divisive language to stoke up violence

Ms Leadbeater, an ambassador for the Jo Cox Foundation, said: “There was that period after Jo was killed where politicians said all the right things and treated each other well… and that lasted a matter of weeks before they were being horrible to each other. And that filters down to the rest of the country.

YouGov @ yougov
By 47% to 24% Brits oppose proroguing Parliament in order to force through a no-deal Brexit without MPs being able to vote against it. Leave voters themselves would support such a move by 45% to 28%, as would Tory voters by 43% to 36%

Not all of those who support proroguing Parliament to force through a no-deal Brexit think it would be legitimate to do so. 66% of those who would be happy with a no-deal Brexit support prorogation, but the number who consider it legitimate falls to 54%

Kevin Schofield@polhomeeditor
My word. More Tory voters support proroguing Parliament to deliver Brexit than don't (43%-36%). The population as a whole thinks it would be a bad idea (47%-24% against).

Paul Brand @paulbranditv
Seems Dominic Raab is on the right side of the membership on proroguing Parliament.

Proroguing looks like it's on then...

Proroguing looks like it's on then...

But this will always be regarded as illegitimate by a majority of the voting population. Ultimately politicians, even in dictatorships, have to carry enough people with them. I could see it as being the way that we get Brexit cancelled.

Didn’t I read that the Queen and Privy Council have to have some say in this prorogue process ?

It’s not as simple as Raab/Johnson/whoever just losing the keys or forgetting his alarm code to to HOC on 31st October ?

Surely anyone trying to advocate that will just face a vote of no confidence on their first day in office possibly then triggering the GE they are all so keen to avoid?

I've always had a bit of a thing for Rory the Tory, even before he was famous. I like geeks. Best of a bad lot, but hold no hope for it working out. He was good on WATO yesterday.

In another vein I had to grin at infants at that Bradford nursery being called 'students ' - an extreme example of the weird over inflation of language I notice a lot these days.

Students go to universities. Children attend school. Babies are housed in nurseries.

See also 'doing research' for 'googling' and 'academy' for 'infant school' .

I can't get over that YouGov survey about prorogation. So nearly a quarter of the British population (if survey accurate) is happy to live under a government dictatorship? Or doesn't have any understanding of UK history? FFS.

And a majority of Leave voters are in favour. Just what sort of sovereignty is it that they wanted to take back from Brussels? You could not make this shit up.

Just a minor diversion. Just reading on BBC (or was it SKY) website about a young lady in Africa sitting exams half an hour after giving birth to a baby boy.

I can't get over that YouGov survey about prorogation.

It's the true colours coming through...

Hi, just a quick question as I'm having a heated discussion with my husband!

Does the WA NEED to be signed before we leave? If not, why haven't we and just crashed out?

Just what sort of sovereignty is it that they wanted to 'take back' from Brussels?

Brussels never had sovereignty the gift admitted it .

What sovereignty and control mean to many people was the U.K. government delivering to their personal chosen vision of the world ( capital punishment etc) . It wasn't about collective control- it is about their personal control dominating government-proroguing parliament and indeed democracy if needed. The dictating minority.

Govt not gift

Whisky2014
The WA does not HAVE to be signed before leaving but the EU will not negotiate anything until it or something exceedingly similar is signed.

That Ethiopian new mother LeClerc mentioned is trying to outdo the Duchess of Cambridge.

Not doing women any favours. Still maternity leave will be curtailed once we are out of the EU anyway.

www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-48594161

Anyone who thinks that suspending Parliament is the answer is either thick as pigshit or a snake oil salesman.
And I think that the Queen would have something to say about and do about such fuckwittery if she were dragged into this mess.

peregrina The Tories furious over a stitchup - i.e. no cake - are the Brexiters
Many Tories voted for the Faragists in the EP elections

Tory Remainers are only 23% of members (at the ref) so although some are probably go9ng LDem, the numbers are too small to make much differece.
Tory voters are far more numerous and those Remainers & moderates are helping the LDem rise

Tory Remainers are only 23% of members (at the ref) so although some are probably go9ng LDem, the numbers are too small to make much differece.

That's a quarter of the Tory vote. The quarter that probably best reflects their donor's interests (this is of course why donations have fallen off a cliff and the Tories now get more money from dead people than live ones).

It's a forgotten quarter but going forward it will be an important part of the electoral calculus for the Tories. If they can't retain these voters then they are dead as a party.

That Raab NDA is alarming

imo, no MP (let alone a leadership candidate) should have an NDA

As soon as they enter Parliament, it should be published in full, in the MP's Register of Interests
and publish if they acquire an NDA while an MP - or resign from the HoC immediately

"Donors' interests", in case the typo rendered that unclear.

Misti I posted that the members would be too small to make much difference, but voters would help boost Ldems

If there are 160,000 members, then that is only 37,000 Remainers - and probably at least half will still vote tribally,
if faced with Corbyn as PM

That 24% of voters who want to prorogue, equals the 24% that have been consistently supporting authoritarianism, for at least the last 3 years (probably longer)

e.g strong leader unhampered by the rules, death penalty, corporal pinishment in schools, smacking at home

This again confirms that a majority of Leavers and Tories (not always the same) are authoritarian,
which has also been found consistently in polls to be a stronger connecting factor than age, education, wealth or social class