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I'm not afraid to admit I'm terrified

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StealthPolarBear · 26/05/2019 22:07

I really am. It feels like we're hurtling towards no deal Brexit with a coward and idiot at the helm who couldnt organise a booze up in a brewery.
What are we heading for? Huge economic crash? War?

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1tisILeClerc · 29/05/2019 17:19

Being the 'so called' 5th best country in terms of GDP the health and welfare of the UK should be absolutely fabulous with clean streets and well fed and educated citizens.
It ain't happening folks, and those that are stopping it happening are blaming 'outsiders' rather than looking at their own actions.

thehappyegg · 29/05/2019 17:44

It's incredibly short sighted to go through life parroting "but others have it worse"

That's not what I was saying.

I was merely saying that a bit of perspective helps.

Mamamia456 · 29/05/2019 18:18

Ihaventgottimeforthis - Those things have been in decline for a number of years now anyway, the NHS needs a complete overhaul, people are living longer, 1 in 2 of us will get cancer, it used to be 1 in 4, we are having operations that were unthinkable many years ago, the NHS cannot cope. The same with our welfare system. You can't blame Brexit.

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StealthPolarBear · 29/05/2019 18:21

I have perspective. Generally I wander through life on a bubble of optimism in the certainty the world around me is good and things tend to work out for the best. Even I am full of dread at what is coming. What does that suggest?

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thehappyegg · 29/05/2019 18:27

Generally I wander through life on a bubble of optimism in the certainty the world around me is good and things tend to work out for the best. Even I am full of dread at what is coming. What does that suggest?

I don't know, but I am an eternal pessimist and I don't feel the dread that you do.

thehappyegg · 29/05/2019 18:28

More of us are diagnosed with cancer now because we have much better diagnostic tools.

It's a good thing, not a bad thing.

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StealthPolarBear · 29/05/2019 18:36

That is reassuring, genuinely. I do feel better today than when I started this thread, it was the day Boris said we would leave without a deal.

Agree with you about cancer, plus many are being diagnosed at earlier stages.

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StealthPolarBear · 29/05/2019 18:38

Sorry that'd essentially what you said the other reason is as we live longer and don't die of tb or industrial accidents in our sixties, we live to get cancer in our seventies and eighties.

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Poppyinafieldofdreams · 29/05/2019 18:43

I am absolutely terrified. We will have no food, medicines, jobs, pensions, nothing. We are all going to die. It’s not fair.

What we must do as a matter if urgency is to push all the stupid old racist people who voted brexit into the sea and then have a proper people’s vote backed by the truth.

thehappyegg · 29/05/2019 18:44

I certainly don't think it's unreasonable or hysterical to be worried about brexit, so I hope you know I am not trying to invalidate your feelings. It worries me too.

But my family come from this place where horrendous things happened and you know what, they just got on with it and life went on and eventually got better again. So I try to keep that in mind.

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StealthPolarBear · 29/05/2019 18:44

Hear hear :o and elect Boris. He'll save us all

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thehappyegg · 29/05/2019 18:46

Genuinely don't know if poppy's post was sarcastic Confused

Aberforthsgoat · 29/05/2019 18:46

@thehappyegg me neither...it has to be, right?!

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StealthPolarBear · 29/05/2019 18:46

We're promised it will get better. In 50 years. Maybe 48 now, so not too long.

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Mamamia456 · 29/05/2019 18:50

Thehappyegg - My post was in response to a previous poster who was saying that the NHS would come to an end if we come out of the EU, but it is likely to come to an end anyway even if we remain. Of course its a good thing for more cancer cases to be diagnosed but it costs the NHS an enormous amount of money to treat, so you cannot blame the decline of the NHS on brexit.

thehappyegg · 29/05/2019 18:50

Also no one really knows what will happen. No deal brexit isn't a certainty by any means.

1tisILeClerc · 29/05/2019 18:52

{We will have no food, medicines, jobs, pensions, nothing. We are all going to die. It’s not fair.}

Through governmental incompetence and 'hiccups' some bad things will undoubtedly happen but it will not be a situation of NO food.
Spare a thought for those in Syria whose life truly is shit at the moment with their own government bombing hospitals.
With that in mind consider the attitudes of the UK to those trying to flee the horrors. They are families, just like us.

Peregrina · 29/05/2019 19:30

I agree with you entirely but unfortunately no matter how rational your arguments the leavers on here will just continue to insult you and call you names.

Am I the only one who noticed this very funny Freudian slip from Coppersulphate?

Aberforthsgoat · 29/05/2019 19:40

I am worried, very worried. I may have a stockpile (nothing massive just enough to keep us going for a month or two if needed which has proved very useful for illness etc).
But I can’t believe we will have NO food and NO medicine. Maybe I’m being naive, but I really hope not.
Have reminded myself I need to rotate and start using some of the stock pile so I can replenish.

jasjas1973 · 29/05/2019 20:37

Yep Peregrina..... i need smile at that one....

Songsofexperience · 29/05/2019 20:38

There will be food of some sort. Medicine shortages on the other hand do genuinely scare me.

frumpety · 30/05/2019 09:59

Mamamia I am curious about the complete overhaul of the NHS you are advocating, do you mean privatisation ? something insurance based ? How will this work in practice ? How much more will the average person have to pay ?

Are we living longer ? I thought the figures suggest that life expectancy had plateaued ?

Mamamia456 · 30/05/2019 16:28

Frumpety - I have no idea what the answer is with regards to the NHS, but it is unsustainable. I hope it isn't privatised, but as science and technology improve, we are living longer with illnesses which at one time would have killed us. Obviously that is good and scientists predict that in the future cancer will be a lifelong condition that people will be able to live with, but it all comes at a huge cost to the NHS. I think we take it for granted in this country, and hope it doesn't take its collapse for us to appreciate just how fantastic it is.

frumpety · 30/05/2019 20:00

As I said we are not living longer, life expectancy has plateaued, probably to do with the fact that we and our children are no longer living the lives that the average 90 year old did.

The NHS is not unsustainable, it is actually tremendous value for money. Unfortunately as you say Mamamia , it will be long gone before people realise what they have actually lost Sad

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 31/05/2019 11:47

I'm not blaming the decline of the NHS on Brexit, I blame the Tories for that!
I'm basically saying that Brexit will lead to many more years of austerity so we can kiss goodbye to any chance of increasing prosperity, employment and investment in our public services.
Brexit will not help us reverse the decline we are in as a country, it will accelerate it.
The decision to Brexit is not the cause of the decline, it's a symptom of it. But it's a perverse decision in my view. A bit like turkeys voting to ban Christmas, so the farmer goes out of business and kills them all anyway. Except there are no EU regulations on humane treatment of livestock, and no-one to eat them so they just pile up in the fields.
thank you all for sticking with my painful metaphor