I'm not afraid to admit I'm terrified

[StealthPolarBear]

I really am. It feels like we're hurtling towards no deal Brexit with a coward and idiot at the helm who couldnt organise a booze up in a brewery.
What are we heading for? Huge economic crash? War?

The standard of living has generally increased in the EU but not in the UK I dont necessarily agree but even if that were true I still want to be out of the EU. I do not want our country being run by a foreign government.
If the EU are doing good things then we can look at them maybe even copy them but it should be our choice not theirs to determine what happens in the UK.
If you lock every one up it would reduce car accidents/deaths. I dont want to be locked up & I still want to drive my car. Does that make me an evil person?

' I do not want our country being run by a foreign government.'

Those pesky 'forrinners', eh?

@Walkingdeadfangirl which EU laws do you disagree with specifically? And if the answer to that is none, specifically (because that has been my experience of hardcore leave voters) then why is it reasonable to jeopardise our economy and our children's futures based on some hypothetical ideology?

But I will put a bet that food banks are here forever, once people get used to a free service they will be very unlikely to give it up.

What the actual fuck?

And yes, as up thread name some EU policies you disagree with.

And what is the foreign government bollocks? You know what you were voting for on Thursday right?

Don't take too much notice of @Walkingdeadfangirl - I think she's 12

Nah, most 12 year olds know that leaving is actually a bad idea!

I live very near the border between NI/Republic. I'm terrified about the hard border. I've small kids. They don't deserve to grow up in a war zone. Literally nobody gives a shit about us here.

@fia101 I agree it's bloody scary 😰

I'm hoping against hope that somehow, in the end Brexit won't happen. I'd rather be called a 'neghead' by misguided Brexiteers for the rest of my life than see them have to eat their words.

which EU laws do you disagree with specifically?
Thought that would have been obvious, I am against all of them.

You know what you were voting for on Thursday right?
Yip, I voted (for the second time) to leave the EU. What did you vote for?

{You know what you were voting for on Thursday right?
Yip, I voted (for the second time) to leave the EU. What did you vote for?

WRONG
The vote on Thursday was to select UK MEPs to sit if the UK remains. You need to answer the right question.

{which EU laws do you disagree with specifically?
Thought that would have been obvious, I am against all of them.}

So you want dirty beaches, longer and unregulated working hours and a totally 'uncontrolled economy where there will be a race to the bottom.
Do your homework.

If the UK leaves, the people you voted for will be sstaying in the UK and will not be MEPs.

You are against all the laws? So including the ones about maternity leave, workers rights, animal rights, consumer protection....?

I don’t think you understand what the vote in Thursday was for do you.

I only hope you are a troll and that there aren’t really people as dumb as this in the world.

@Larry unfortunately, Brexitiers really are this thick, met one on Sunday who strongly believes that bartering is the way forward, so he is a mechanic, he can fix your car in return for some of your home grown veg.......

The UK already controls all the stuff that affects our daily lives and as the numerous fuck ups on transport, tax, education, health etc proves, we can screw it all up without help from the EU.

Of course we know what happens outside of the EEC/EU, we had decades to find out leading up to 1973 where we presided over economic and environmental decline, all on our own.

{ so he is a mechanic, he can fix your car in return for some of your home grown veg.......}
As a 'LETS' system it is not too bad and you could argue that everyone does it to agree. You might agree to cook dinner if your partner goes shopping for the ingredients.
This is fine until you want hospitals, roads electricity that you and your mate can't do themselves.

'All of them' God it would be hysterically funny if it weren't so fucking depressing.

Just read walkingdeadfangirls comment about people getting used to food banks as a free service. The mind boggles at the degree of emotional disconnection some quite clearly have

Laws emanating from the EU have been discussed with the overriding thought that it should improve the lives of all EU citizens, and is not specifically about money.
Since there is input from all EU28, the laws are likely to be well balanced.
While the UK can make it's own laws, it is principally the Westminster government doing this and their aims are not necessarily as high minded as that of the EU as vested interests can sway decisions.

If you lock every one up it would reduce car accidents/deaths. I dont want to be locked up & I still want to drive my car. Does that make me an evil person?

Quite aside from having zero empathy, your metaphors are terrible. (Locking people up would not reduce deaths. You plainly don't know anything at all about penal systems).

Anyway. To get back to the OP's original point.

There is finally evidence that the penny is dropping in Tory circles, which has to be a hopeful sign.

I refer you to Gove and his offer of free citizenship for EU citizens, Hunt's back-pedalling on no deal, and Hannan's latest article on the Conservative Home website.

Hannan doesn't get much right, but he is correct that Brexit is impossible without a GE, but that the Tories cannot win a GE without delivering Brexit.

Catch 22. Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of people.

Walkingdead,

I agree with you entirely but unfortunately no matter how rational your arguments the leavers on here will just continue to insult you and call you names.
They cannot argue with your reasons so they name call.
I too have now voted to leave the EU twice.
They ask why? I say because I want to leave the jurisdiction of the European Court simply because I want our laws made and implemented here.
The laws themselves don't matter. I want the UK's legal system to be the overriding system here. It is not at present.

I am sorry you are feeling stressed out op, but I would have more sympathy for you if you didn’t wish such horrible things to happen to people.
I understand you dislike Boris and Jacob Rees Mogg and all that they stand for but to wish bankruptcy and a long stint in an Iranian jail on people because you disagree with them is pretty unpleasant.

"I too have now voted to leave the EU twice."
Did I miss a referendum?

Do you think no one is bankrupt, in jail or has committed suicide because of the policies Rees mogg and Boris stand for?
And wishes aren't reality. Boris is safe from me. Your concern is really misguided.

I wish I'd known. I only got to vote remain once.

I saw my Dad this morning. He saw people machine gunned in the street in his home country.

He says the British are excellent at hyperbole. We don't see eye to eye on most things but I do agree with him on this.

I think Brexit is a fucking awful idea and I bloody wish they'd revoke Article 50 but I don't think even in the event of no deal that it heralds the end of civilization as we know it.

I don't think it heralds the end of civilisation but I do think it heralds a long steady decline in the living standards in this country - I think it heralds the end of the NHS, the decline in public services, the loss of welfare and social security and the end of any chance we have of conserving and enhancing our wildlife, water and air quality.

So yes, it's pretty shit.
If we take a long view, my future grandchildren will hopefully be alive in 100 year's time. Do we really think that individual countries isolating themselves and engaging in trade and technology wars will solve the global climate and water crises that are waiting round the corner?

I do know worse happens elsewhere and Fwiw that sounds awful. The fact that something worse happens elsewhere doesn't make this not shit though. It's incredibly short sighted to go through life parroting "but others have it worse"