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Westminstenders: Has Boris been outmanoeuvred? Reprise

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RedToothBrush · 17/05/2019 22:31

In the beginning there was this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2670552-Has-Boris-been-outmanoeuvred?pg=1

And it said:
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

And

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

So what of where we stand and the poison chalice of the Tory Leadership and a deal.

According to a poll of Tory Members, Johnson is by far their runaway favourite to become next leader. And he's given a 61% competence score - higher than any other candidate.

With Raab as their second favourite.

May has successfully managed to make such a mess of how she handled the 2016 Tory Party Conference and everything that subsequently stemmed from that, that the poison chalice of leadership will be passed and sooner than many would have wanted.

However blame for what follows can be laid at her feet. At the Labour Party’s feet for ending talks that were never going anyway. At the EU. And No Deal has been detoxified by May's handling amongst many supporters of Brexit. Johnson and Raab will therefore have no interest in striking a deal with the EU and instead set sail for exit on 31st Oct and will brazen it out.

What is scary is that waiting in the wings is Farage, who without winning a single seat in the HoC has more power than any MP. They are all so afraid of him. Thus we face a very hard push to the right, with the left and centre in disarray and disorganisation.

The Human Rights Act and Devolution settlements will be top of the list to go.

And we will face draconian ways to control the population as the lazy fools will want no accountability to the press or the courts.

How long before appointed or elected judges?

Was Boris outmanoeuvred?

By the look of it, absolutely not. He just had to wait a few years. But his path and power will not be lead by him... But by those who pull his strings.

It looks bleak. Very bleak.

Many may rue the day they didn't vote for May's deal yet...

... And fear of this nightmare vision of the future is the only card May has left in her hand to play. Will anyone realise this?

Probably not, because they will all still think Johnson's leadership bid will be blocked by moderates. The trouble is he's polling well and the cowards are too busy looking over their shoulders at the turquoise arrows.

Pray for a shock result next week which brings fewer Brexit Party seats than are anticipated. The trouble is they have the momentum right now and Remainers don't know their arses from their elbows much less be passion and inspiring to the young and to women.

We are fucked.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 22/05/2019 12:53

damn. Wish I'd saved my sticker for my passport.

ClarkeMurphy · 22/05/2019 12:55

Why did Corbyn go for schools rather than the collapse of British Steel?

He doesn't really want to blame Brexit for it because his party isn't for remain. He is STILL trying to appeal to everyone but is the process is just pissing everyone off.

Mistigri · 22/05/2019 12:56

Their stickiness is not especially long-lasting. I am toying with buying myself a roll or two!

https://www.euflagmafia.com/100BollockssToBrexittStickersBESTTSELLER/p504619419756519.aspx

OhYouBadBadKitten · 22/05/2019 13:00

I've ordered some stickers. A hundred might be a bit much for my passport, so if they arrive in a sensible time I could be persuaded to share with a sensible number of people.

TokyoSushi · 22/05/2019 13:45

(((Dan Hodges)))

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Some wild rumours flying around. Next few hours are going to be interesting.

Let's see...

prettybird · 22/05/2019 13:46

Touching on the discussion last might on alternative meats: I have a can of crocodile pate (given to me and now quite old, never quite got round to eating it wonder why? Wink)

I've also eaten horse meat in France: it was fine. Tender but a bit stronger than beef.

I've also eaten kudu biltong and ostrich and kangaroo steaks - but I'm not eating my cats Wink skinny Siamese so not much meat on them anyway Grin

borntobequiet · 22/05/2019 13:49

You could stick them all over your suitcase, Kitten.

NoWordForFluffy · 22/05/2019 13:52

I wonder what rumours they are? That tweet is a bit like vague booking. At least give a hint! 😂

Ellie56 · 22/05/2019 13:54

So does everyone think the odious little man who leads the Turquoise Party is going to do as well tomorrow as the opinion polls are all forecasting?

BoreOfWhabylon · 22/05/2019 13:57

Very very late pmk

TokyoSushi · 22/05/2019 14:07

I don't know @NoWordForFluffy but we have this now too...

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Cabinet Minister: "She is simply not going to resign. So she will have to be forced out".

LoonvanBoon · 22/05/2019 14:12

I fear he probably will, Ellie, but would be delighted to be wrong. Usually with elections things turn out worse (from my POV!) than I was expecting. 1997 & 2017 were rare exceptions.

Talking of odious men, Tim Shipman tweeted that Mark Francois gestured to the press gallery during PMQ, shaking his head & drawing his finger across his throat like a knife. Quite apart from the vileness of this sort of behaviour, how do so many of this crowd get away with being so unprofessional?

Like Andrea Jenkyns on Politics Live yesterday - she knew nothing about WTO terms, & when Seb Dance corrected some of her points responded by saying "You just don't want to lose your job". Childish & pathetic.

howabout · 22/05/2019 14:15

Corbyn would have been foolish to go on steel. Hostage to fortune by opening the door to analysis of EU State aid rules.

borntobequiet · 22/05/2019 14:18

For all her faults, I have learned that when dealing with annoying people who want me to do things I don’t want to, I can channel my inner May. Thanks, Theresa, for that.

TokyoSushi · 22/05/2019 14:20

I wonder if something actually is happening...

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Rumours - not yet confirmed, but equally not being denied - of a move against PM by cabinet today. Source says “it’s looking likely”. Stand by your Twitter feed.

tobee · 22/05/2019 14:20

Got very depressed reading you lot last night talking about Farage becoming pm. Was explaining to dd what you'd all said. She says she'll leave the country and be a political refugee. Ds (doing his degree in politics) explained to me why he thinks it won't happen. He predicted Trump winning. And leave winning. So I'm feeling better now. Grin

tobee · 22/05/2019 14:20

Got very depressed reading you lot last night talking about Farage becoming pm. Was explaining to dd what you'd all said. She says she'll leave the country and be a political refugee. Ds (doing his degree in politics) explained to me why he thinks it won't happen. He predicted Trump winning. And leave winning. So I'm feeling better now. Grin

tobee · 22/05/2019 14:20

Got very depressed reading you lot last night talking about Farage becoming pm. Was explaining to dd what you'd all said. She says she'll leave the country and be a political refugee. Ds (doing his degree in politics) explained to me why he thinks it won't happen. He predicted Trump winning. And leave winning. So I'm feeling better now. Grin

tobee · 22/05/2019 14:21

God I knew that would treble post

NoWordForFluffy · 22/05/2019 14:26

Cabinet Minister: "She is simply not going to resign. So she will have to be forced out".

Tell us something we don't know.

It does seem like it's all kicking off though!

prettybird · 22/05/2019 14:29

Re the discussions on the difference between the YouGov polls and the other ones and the fear that the YouGov polls are the more accurate ones: iirc, the YouGov polls that were so accurate in predicting the shock hung Parliament were special constituency by constituency polls so much more nuanced. I don't think their "ordinary" polls were such outliers Hmm

That doesn't really help explain what might happen tomorrow or explain their apparent different levels of support at the moment, compared to ComRes etc Confused Only time will tell - we'll find out on Sunday Hmm

Random18 · 22/05/2019 14:30

She’s a goner I think.

Just not sure what that will mean............./

Littlespaces · 22/05/2019 14:30

Are the majority of Leavers as ridiculous as that woman? Really? I hope not. No. Not typical at all of the people I know.

Listen to Dino - he nails it.

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/listeners-loved-this-italian-doctor-from-grimsby/

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