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Westminstenders: Has Boris been outmanoeuvred? Reprise

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RedToothBrush · 17/05/2019 22:31

In the beginning there was this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2670552-Has-Boris-been-outmanoeuvred?pg=1

And it said:
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

And

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

So what of where we stand and the poison chalice of the Tory Leadership and a deal.

According to a poll of Tory Members, Johnson is by far their runaway favourite to become next leader. And he's given a 61% competence score - higher than any other candidate.

With Raab as their second favourite.

May has successfully managed to make such a mess of how she handled the 2016 Tory Party Conference and everything that subsequently stemmed from that, that the poison chalice of leadership will be passed and sooner than many would have wanted.

However blame for what follows can be laid at her feet. At the Labour Party’s feet for ending talks that were never going anyway. At the EU. And No Deal has been detoxified by May's handling amongst many supporters of Brexit. Johnson and Raab will therefore have no interest in striking a deal with the EU and instead set sail for exit on 31st Oct and will brazen it out.

What is scary is that waiting in the wings is Farage, who without winning a single seat in the HoC has more power than any MP. They are all so afraid of him. Thus we face a very hard push to the right, with the left and centre in disarray and disorganisation.

The Human Rights Act and Devolution settlements will be top of the list to go.

And we will face draconian ways to control the population as the lazy fools will want no accountability to the press or the courts.

How long before appointed or elected judges?

Was Boris outmanoeuvred?

By the look of it, absolutely not. He just had to wait a few years. But his path and power will not be lead by him... But by those who pull his strings.

It looks bleak. Very bleak.

Many may rue the day they didn't vote for May's deal yet...

... And fear of this nightmare vision of the future is the only card May has left in her hand to play. Will anyone realise this?

Probably not, because they will all still think Johnson's leadership bid will be blocked by moderates. The trouble is he's polling well and the cowards are too busy looking over their shoulders at the turquoise arrows.

Pray for a shock result next week which brings fewer Brexit Party seats than are anticipated. The trouble is they have the momentum right now and Remainers don't know their arses from their elbows much less be passion and inspiring to the young and to women.

We are fucked.

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AutumnCrow · 21/05/2019 16:39

What a load of old shite

tobee · 21/05/2019 16:43

Ahhh! Got a phone call before the questions. Just saw her laughing and gurning with the sound down. HmmConfused

NoWordForFluffy · 21/05/2019 16:44

What's the point of something being binding until the end of this Parliament?! That's part of the bloody problem with her stupid offers.

Nobody trusts her party as far as they can throw them.

When are we getting indicative votes back? Or anything bloody substantive? Bearing in mind they've decided they need a holiday again next week?

PCPlumsTruncheon · 21/05/2019 16:50

I have just read Helen Dunmore’s ‘The Siege’ about the siege of Leningrad. It’s fictional but very well researched. People genuinely resorted to eating their pets and burning furniture to keep warm.
Apparently leather is quite nutritious if you boil it. There is no way I am eating my cats.
I found it vaguely reassuring ie thinking well at least things won’t get that bad

PCPlumsTruncheon · 21/05/2019 16:54

What channel is this on?

woman19 · 21/05/2019 16:55

It was on Sky and BBC , finished now I think..... PCPlums Sounds like a good book, I like Helen Dunmore.

AutumnCrow · 21/05/2019 16:57

I to be 5pm headlines on Sky News or BBC rolling news no doubt

Peregrina · 21/05/2019 17:02

People also took to eating their pets (or other people's pets) in the Netherlands during the last war. At a time when the south of the country had already been liberated.

BollocksToBrexit · 21/05/2019 17:05

Cats were called roof rabbits in the Netherlands because people didn't want to eat cats.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 21/05/2019 17:07

which PM was most responsible for the breakup of the UK ? Cameron / May / Johnson / Farage

Why would you do that 😱 im going to have nightmares tonight!

Peregrina · 21/05/2019 17:08

After all they eat guinea pig in Peru, called Cuy. Tastes a bit like rabbit but there isn't much meat on them - so the sort of dish you sample once just to say you've tried it.

tobee · 21/05/2019 17:08

Surely her speech is just going to get people more likely to vote for Brexit Party?

Peregrina · 21/05/2019 17:10

We could have fun with this. Which politician did most to destroy the Conservative party?

PCPlumsTruncheon · 21/05/2019 17:10

Mummy, please don’t eat me

Westminstenders: Has Boris been outmanoeuvred? Reprise
Westminstenders: Has Boris been outmanoeuvred? Reprise
PCPlumsTruncheon · 21/05/2019 17:13

Bloody pics didn’t attach again.
Mummy, please don’t eat me

Westminstenders: Has Boris been outmanoeuvred? Reprise
Westminstenders: Has Boris been outmanoeuvred? Reprise
Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 21/05/2019 17:15

Good eating on those cats PC Grin

PCPlumsTruncheon · 21/05/2019 17:16

Why does it never seem to attach photos when it actually has?
Since I posted about people eating their pets, my 2 kitties have run away. Cats are very intuitive

VanillaSugarr · 21/05/2019 17:18

Hang on, did Theresa May actually say “It’s a great time to be alive?”

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 21/05/2019 17:19

Sounds like she is trying to convince herself

tobee · 21/05/2019 17:22

Is there a lying down prostrate on the ground smacking the floor and wailing emoji?

DGRossetti · 21/05/2019 17:25

As a rule, do carnivores form a significant part of human diet ?

Crocodile was pretty yukky, and I can't see dog or cat being particularly tasty - or lean.

And we don't really eat raptors or sharks either. (Except rock salmon, which is now on the naughty list Sad)

tobee · 21/05/2019 17:29

That second attachment of that grey moggie is a bit scary @PCPlumsTruncheon

tobee · 21/05/2019 17:29

Is that eating carnivores DG?

Peregrina · 21/05/2019 17:31

A friend's horse has just died. Should I be asking whether she will sell his remains?

tobee · 21/05/2019 17:31

Oh I see what you mean!