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Westminstenders: Has Boris been outmanoeuvred? Reprise

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RedToothBrush · 17/05/2019 22:31

In the beginning there was this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2670552-Has-Boris-been-outmanoeuvred?pg=1

And it said:
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

And

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

So what of where we stand and the poison chalice of the Tory Leadership and a deal.

According to a poll of Tory Members, Johnson is by far their runaway favourite to become next leader. And he's given a 61% competence score - higher than any other candidate.

With Raab as their second favourite.

May has successfully managed to make such a mess of how she handled the 2016 Tory Party Conference and everything that subsequently stemmed from that, that the poison chalice of leadership will be passed and sooner than many would have wanted.

However blame for what follows can be laid at her feet. At the Labour Party’s feet for ending talks that were never going anyway. At the EU. And No Deal has been detoxified by May's handling amongst many supporters of Brexit. Johnson and Raab will therefore have no interest in striking a deal with the EU and instead set sail for exit on 31st Oct and will brazen it out.

What is scary is that waiting in the wings is Farage, who without winning a single seat in the HoC has more power than any MP. They are all so afraid of him. Thus we face a very hard push to the right, with the left and centre in disarray and disorganisation.

The Human Rights Act and Devolution settlements will be top of the list to go.

And we will face draconian ways to control the population as the lazy fools will want no accountability to the press or the courts.

How long before appointed or elected judges?

Was Boris outmanoeuvred?

By the look of it, absolutely not. He just had to wait a few years. But his path and power will not be lead by him... But by those who pull his strings.

It looks bleak. Very bleak.

Many may rue the day they didn't vote for May's deal yet...

... And fear of this nightmare vision of the future is the only card May has left in her hand to play. Will anyone realise this?

Probably not, because they will all still think Johnson's leadership bid will be blocked by moderates. The trouble is he's polling well and the cowards are too busy looking over their shoulders at the turquoise arrows.

Pray for a shock result next week which brings fewer Brexit Party seats than are anticipated. The trouble is they have the momentum right now and Remainers don't know their arses from their elbows much less be passion and inspiring to the young and to women.

We are fucked.

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DGRossetti · 21/05/2019 17:40

A friend's horse has just died. Should I be asking whether she will sell his remains?

If it's anything like zebra, you need real teeth and jaws of steel ...

I've got no qualms about what animal I eat (my own species excepted, for obvious reasons). Generally, if certain animals haven't made their way into a regular diet somewhere, it's probably because (whispers) they don't really taste that nice. Which is why we eat cows (mmmm) and not horses (no comparison with cows).

Pigs are interesting. Being genetically quite close to humans, they could be a vector for all sorts of as-yet-to-be-discovered pathogens. The middle-east-centric prohibition on eating pork may actually have some basis in science. The lower prevalence of MS, for example. Is it geographic, or dietary ?

Peregrina · 21/05/2019 17:43

But people eat horse meat in France.

tobee · 21/05/2019 17:45

Is it just me that when listening to Theresa I find myself thinking "she's just so strange!"?

icannotremember · 21/05/2019 17:46

We can all eat nettles. Dh tells me you can make a good soup out of them. I'm not eating the cats!

Peregrina · 21/05/2019 17:47

Aren't nettles supposed to be a good source of iron? Only tasty when they are young, I believe.

DGRossetti · 21/05/2019 17:48

But people eat horse meat in France.

Doesn't make it nice though. I guess you could eat an old tyre if you put enough garlic on it.

The also eat dogs in Korea (apparently).

The relative rarity of horse/dog eating - despite the availability of the raw ingredients - does suggest there are much nicer things to eat first.

1tisILeClerc · 21/05/2019 17:49

Slugs are (apparently) very nutritious.

Peregrina · 21/05/2019 17:50

But again in France they still enjoy tripe. It's fallen out of favour in this country now, but used to be eaten regularly by my grandfather. He enjoyed it. Liver makes me gag, but DH loves it.

borntobequiet · 21/05/2019 17:51

My cat threw up this morning. She knew what to expect.

QueenOfThorns · 21/05/2019 17:52

Since the talk turned to the eating of cats, one of mine has selflessly started to fatten himself up by eating suet that I put out for the birds. Or maybe he’s just a disgusting greedy guts!

1tisILeClerc · 21/05/2019 17:52

Speaking of which. On visiting I think Thailand, when asking what something was (to eat) the reply was often 'nutritious' which didn't always fill me with confidence.

TheAssemblywomen · 21/05/2019 17:53

I'm vegetarian, no cats are passing my lips...

tobee · 21/05/2019 17:54

I like innards! One of my favourite ever meals included duck gizzards in the Tarn region of France l. 😋

CrunchyCarrot · 21/05/2019 17:54

Do you know what a Field Chicken is in Malaysia? It's a frog. Grin So if you see 'Field Chicken' on the menu there, it doesn't mean 'free range'! Grin

1tisILeClerc · 21/05/2019 17:55

{But again in France they still enjoy tripe.}
French supermarkets have half an aisle of 'things in jars and tins'.
It's the 'vegie' option for me in that scenario.

1tisILeClerc · 21/05/2019 17:57

Talking of tripe, I presume that is the verdict of Theresa's waffle today.

PCPlumsTruncheon · 21/05/2019 17:59

www.google.co.uk/search?q=squirrel+meat&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#imgrc=DXwjZ0lTSPQuvM:

Apparently, squirrel is quite popular now. Can’t say I fancy it myself Envy not envy

dreichuplands · 21/05/2019 18:03

Nettles make a nice sparkly drink.
I dislike tripe, liver and kidneys intensely.
I also found chitterlings unpleasant. Ditto faggots.
Turning veggie looks like a good option!

NoWordForFluffy · 21/05/2019 18:04

Slugs are (apparently) very nutritious.

Not if you eat a brown slug (they're not necessarily brown in colour), as they're so toxic you'll probably die!

dreichuplands · 21/05/2019 18:05

Snails were okay topped with puff pastry and washed down with lots of wine.
I also find crickets crunchy but harmless.
Ant larvae is insipid but edible.

NoWordForFluffy · 21/05/2019 18:15

We had horse in Belgium many moons ago. It can't have been that bad as we didn't realise what it was until afterwards!

I've eaten bear, which was quite nice; surprisingly gamey.

I've also had the obligatory kangaroo and ostrich down under!

I'd probably turn veggie before hunting snails etc down however.

AutumnCrow · 21/05/2019 18:17

Yes Theresa May is strange but I thought that tbf about Cameron and IDS.

1tisILeClerc · 21/05/2019 18:19

Reindeer is good, very lean.

Motheroffourdragons · 21/05/2019 18:21

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